LPG for Diesel Engines

Submitted: Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 14:24
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G'day All,

Just a question for all you punters out there.

I went to the 4WD show this weekend (in Adelaide) and while I was there I checked out this company offering a product for diesel engines. I have been told of this previously but didn't know if there was a local company offering the technology. BAsically LPG is injected into the air intake of a diesel engine (turbo or non-turbo) using a computer management system. They claim that it gives up to 20% extra power, better feul economy, decreases engine wear and tear (as opposed to aftermarket turbo) and decreases emissions. This sounds too good to be true (good sales people can always do this).

My question for the forum is - Has anyone heard of this product, do they have any experience with it, confirm that it does all it's supposed too etc etc?

At about $3500 fitted, its very competitaive (as compared to an aftermarket turbo), and quite possibly better as you do not have to fit bigger exhaust etc etc, and don't have engine overheating probs.

Any coments?

Cheers

Jono
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:00

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:00
I saw this setup on a 2.8d hilix and the wa 4x4 show about 4 years ago. It iterested me then, but have never seen or heard anything about it until now.
I might be being a little paranoid but I would have thought that if it was so fantastic that it would be being sold everywhere by now.
Just a though, I really don't know too much about it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:03

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:03
Comp trucks use it too, Jason Christensen runs it on his GQ Patrol, seen him blow holes in his diffs with the power that thing puts out. Gases it up before racing, but definitely shortens the life of the motor combined with high boost.
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Reply By: sickpaj - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 16:17

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 16:17
Only good for big HP . its like running Nitro , not same principle but big HP boosts . With big HP boost comes trouble.

Eric ( on sickpaj's computer )
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 17:11

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 17:11
One of the lads in our 4wd club has done this to his 4.2l 80series toyota & it has increased his power by at least 20%. It now goes like a rocket.
He is a desiel mechanic with his own business.
I do not know about longevity of the engine.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

Cheers Dodg.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 18:20

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 18:20
This was apparently trialled by Linfox a few years ago and was not used due to engine failure.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Reply By: Andy (S.A.) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 23:03

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 23:03
Hi Jonno
unable to make it to the show, but it sound good is it the same prinsable as the busses in adelaide ? I think they run on compressed natural gas.

Cheers andy
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 09:14

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 09:14
Hi Andy,

Diesel LPG injection is quite different to CNG or LNG buses. Compressed or liquified Natural Gas engines are spark-ignition engines ('petrol' engines) which have been optimised to use natural gas as the fuel, rather than petrol of LPG. Natural gas is typically about 96% Methane with a bit a Ethane and heavier gases, IIRC. Automotive LPG is a mixture of the heavier hydrocarbon gases, Propane & Butane - don't remember the proportions just now.

I believe LPG injection has been used very sucessfully in large stationary diesels, such as big generator sets, for some time. In the right proportions, it promotes more complete combustion of the diesel fuel and therefore reduces soot and soot-related wear. For vehicle engines, it's been available in kit form in Europe for a few years now.

Like all performance improving techniques, the results can be good or disastrous depending on how well (or otherwise) it's done. Just like turbo or supercharging, if taken to extremes it will undoubtedly cause engine failure in no time.

Personally, I would not regard it as an alternative to turbocharging for a NA diesel. Pressure charging (turbo or supercharging) is a proven way to improve the volumetric efficiency of diesels, backed by solid physics and decades of experience.

I think it's place is, with a well-controlled, conservatively set injection system, as an add-on to an already well-tuned turbo-diesel engine to give occasional extra grunt and consistent clean burning. If you have the money to throw around for such things...
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