Jackaroo performance problem
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 15:07
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Jackass
Howdy,
I have a 2000 model Jackaroo that I put on gas when I bought it 18 months ago. It suffers from what feels like a fuel starvation problem when under load up steep inclines, like when you take it off road! The problem happens both on gas and petrol but no mechanic I've been to can offer much help. They tell me it's hard to diagnose if the problem doesn't occur in the '
shop'. I've replaced spark plugs but it didn't change anything. Any ideas what the problem might be. One Holden dealership said to change the ECU ($1200) and that MIGHT fix it! The car is also a little difficult to start (lean) but has no other problems driving around town.
Reply By: Leroy - Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 15:32
Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 15:32
I was told to steer clear of gas when I bought my Rodeo as I was thinking of converting it to gas. My mechanic said put up with the fuel ecconomy or don't buy it! But this doesnt help you now. What does the ECU do when the vehicle is running on gas? I'm sure this will only have a bearing if you are running on Petrol. I'd check to see how the gas is plumbed in as it may be restricting air flow. I know you said it appears lean when trying to start but a rich mixture may give you the same symptoms.
Leroy
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 17:55
Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 17:55
Afternoon Jackass
I have a duel fueled vehicle (not a 4WD) and was told at the conversion stage that I had to run spark plugs one (1) temp range cooler, with a gap 20% smaller.
I did this and have had no problems at all ,other than overall power wise it wouldn't pull the skin off a custard, but is very economical.
Ken Robinson
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Reply By: Patroleum - Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 19:44
Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 19:44
3.5 Jacks have a problem with fuel pumps,they continue to run but poor power and can also bring check engine light on, however this does not explain the gas problem, otherwise would be looking at the cat converter to make sure that it has not broken up causing restriction or melted the internal monolith. Could be one of many things however these 2 are reasonably common.
Greg
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Reply By: Savvas - Friday, Oct 22, 2004 at 15:44
Friday, Oct 22, 2004 at 15:44
I know this doesn't answer the question, but I have heard that converting the 3.5 to LPG is not a good idea.
Apparently the head castings are too thin to cope with the extra heat of LPG and can crack. It is probably worthwhile trying Lucy's suggestion of a cooler spark plug range.
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Reply By: jackablue - Saturday, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:03
Saturday, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:03
My old man has a 95 se on gas & had the same problem. Frustrated the hell out of him. He had taken it to gas specialist, holden, & other mechanics & replaced various parts including power pack, spark plugs, & leads. ECU checked out ok. None of these answered the problem.
I assume you are using the long range
tank as a petrol
tank, check your carbon canister & see if any petrol is coming back through your overflow as his was. If so remove valve from inside petrol cap as it causes to much back pressure in your fuel
tank. After removing this the problem has ceased, but found that you cannot use all the fuel in your petrol
tank due to no pressure. You will only be able to use about 35ltrs as there is no baffles in the
tank & you find the fuel sloshing around. He has travelled 8000kms since & had no trouble.
Hope this helps you.
Cheers
Jackablue
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Follow Up By: Jackass - Monday, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:43
Monday, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:43
Thanks everyone for your help. I'll try out your suggestions - I'll try anything!
Jackablue, your insight has given me hope - I'm off to my mechanic with a printout of your reply. Thanks heaps. As a follow up, I've had to replace to fuel pumps because they burnt out in the replacement
tank. I now have a noise external high-flow pump that does the trick and extracts the last few litres of fuel (supposedly).
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Reply By: jackablue - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:33
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:33
Any outcome ?
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Follow Up By: Jackass - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 14:01
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 14:01
Not yet. I've been up on the
Gold Coast for a week and since then I've been offered a very good deal on a LandCruiser from a friend so I'm looking at selling the Jack very soon (if I can get enough for it). Any idea how much it cost to get you father's vehicle fixed? It's it not too much, I'll get it done when I get the roadworthy. His symptoms seemed identical to
mine.
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Reply By: jackablue - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:11
Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:11
It took a pair of pliers & about 30 seconds to rip the round plastic valve & the diaphragm out of the fuel cap. He has also told me that around town he is getting down to the last 10ltrs in the
tank & is very happy now. He thinks that when he was towing the fuel would slosh around more due to the caravan push,pull, up & down action making it harder for the fuel to be extracted.
At most it will cost you a new fuel cap.
Let us know how you go.
Cheers
Jackablue
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