warranty - does the maker have to service?

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 11:23
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Hi All,

just wondering what my options are for servicing my new patrol. Rather than getting the dealer to do it, can someone else do it and not destroy the warranty?

If i'm out bush, i don't think I am going to drive a few hundred Ks to find a nissan dealer!

I'm guessing that I cant do the servicing myself, but can any A grade mechanic do it?

thanks

TrolUte
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Reply By: squizzy - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 14:20

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 14:20
Trolute, I went through that with Nissan when I purchased my last patrol.

As long as the mechanic is a certified mechanic with an ABN, and is RAA listed you are okay.

I hope this helps,

Geoff
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:14

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:14
does not have to be RAA listed or accredited

only has to be a qualified maechanic!
definition of qualified mechanic could or may include a person wiyh many years of experience but has not completed an apprenticeship
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:24

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:24
Im pretty sure CHOICE magazine did a thing on this a few years ago due to outrageous pricing by dealers. There conclusion was anyone QUALIFIED can do it. Regarding what nudenute said hes rite as there is an avenue for anyone who can prove the correct training and experience to become a tradesman in most trades without an apprenticeship however I would think he would have to do that first then he can do the servicing? It would be risky and timeconsuming to have to prove all that before your dealer paid a warranty claim cos the bung fell out of the sump or something stupid like that
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:45

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:45
if the onwer is satisfied of ones presumed abilty to be able to do the work the the owner can alow ant one to do it

The 'mechanic' would only have to prove his ability if a situation arose such as warranty being rejected due to poor workmanshio
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Follow Up By: GeoffSA - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:52

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:52
As I mentioned before, my discussion with the Nissan People in Melbourne head office gave me the following advice;
the mechanic has to be certified, not qualified, and they have to have an ABN, and also RAA listed.
If not the warranty may be void.

Have the other replies had conversation with Nissan direct as I have?

Anyway, it pays to be careful and not give them any avenue to dodge a warranty issue.

Geoff.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 21:29

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 21:29
nissan are bullsh..ing geoff.... trying to pull the wool over your eyes
in a court of law, a manufacturers fault does not mean that the vehicle must have been serviced by the manufacturers agent to get warranty service....lets not confuse a non service agaents negligence (which may have caused the problem) with manufacturers defects
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 02:32

Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 02:32
Nudenut, of course your rite, if you want you can let the local paper boy service it if your happy with that, but the thread is to do with warranty isnt it? Yes they are b...s....... you geoff, and remember that like real estate agents they are not obliged to tell you the truth about what you are entitled to. Do a search on CHOICE magazines website or better still ask your consumer affairs or Motor Trade Assn. I bet theyve been asked a million times and likely have a flyer laying it out. Having said that, I imagine there is nothing wrong with them offering incentives like free extended warrantee etc to encourage you to use them (costing you more than elsewhere of course)
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Reply By: Brian B (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 15:43

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 15:43
Hi,

That sounds a lot better than Holden offer. Since I got my Frontera I have been locked into servicing not only with Holden but at the dealer I purchased from.

I wrote to GMH and asked how could this be right if I was on a trip miles away from home. There answer was "tough mate" and if I didn't get it serviced at the original dealer I would blow the warranty. I had a bitch about this but in the end got nowhere.

To make my own personal protest I have since gone elsewhere for servicing but the GMH warranty system is a crock.

I hope Nissan are a bit more realistic and ethical.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Tim - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 17:18

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 17:18
Some dealerships offer an extended warranty (160K) with vehicles and when they do that they do have the right to say all work must be done in their workshop however I think you will find if you are willing to bar the extra 60K, the vehicle will still be covered for 3 years 100K as long as it is repaired/serviced by a licenced mechanic.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:45

Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:45
To be fair, it sounds like the dealer did that to you.

The owner's manual itself says you can have servicing done at any Holden dealer and they will honour the 3yr / 100000km warranty. Reality is that servicing can be done at any licensed workshop and the manufacturers warranty is not void.

Where the dealer then traps you is through an extended warranty (which is not a manufacturers warranty supplied by Holden, by the way). The dealer then has the right to say if the extended warranty is to be honoured, then they have to do the servicing. That's why Holden couldn't help you with it.

A friend of mine with a Jackaroo Equipe is in the same boat, however the dealer went on to make a big mistake after the sale and sent him a letter offering 3 years of free servicing. This was in error as the free servicing deal usually excluded anything that wasn't a Barina/Vectra/Commodore/Monaro/Statesman. They tried to back out of it a year later saying an audit picked up the mistake. My mate basically waved the letter and said "tough" you independently gave me the offer after the car was purchased it. So he got the 3 years servicing for free, and will only start paying when the 3 years extended warranty kicks in.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (Bris) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:16

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:16
As I understand it any licenced mechanic can perform the services. My Patrol is only a month or so from getting to 100K after 23months. Nissan only carried out the 1000km and 10000km services. All others have been carried out as per service book by a private mechanic. I have had items repaired several times by Nissan, and there has never been a problem with servicing being done by someone else. Nissan have always asked why I get someone else, and have always accepted my response that I don't trust their service people and also find them way too expensive.

Am looking into the extended warranty now before the 100k is up. As it is a 'manufacturers extended warranty' it should continue the same as now.

With dealer extended warranties and those on used vehicles, you can be forced to have the dealer carry out your servicing.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:25

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 18:25
all one has to be is qualified
must have experience and knowledge of what he is supposed to be doing
and this could exclude those who are qualified mechanics but do not have experince with certain peculiarities of a part/component or general operating methods etc etc etc ........

on the other hand a qualified person could include someone who has never comleted a formal apprenticeship but has worked many yrs ( in this case 4wd) on 4wd vehicles of say toyota but in a court of law may lose out if a problem arose on say a nissan that he had no knowledge of a particular setting.... say on valve timing.

General servicing normally does not come into it....but beware those that say they have done it all (all service checks) when they had no intention or more to the point ..No Idea of how to strip front joints for inspection and repacking and it became too hard! and consequently not carried out
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Reply By: Banjo (SA) - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 19:08

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 19:08
One of life's many conundrums ! I'm quite sure that if you had enough money to pursue it legally, the maker would have to honour the warranty regardless of who did the servicing, if they could not establish that the servicing was faulty. The idea that tradesmanship and/or accreditation of some sort guarantees a certain level of quality is of course a farce, as many who post on this forum will attest. The law would recognise that fact in a flash. So.............IMO, the reality of life suggests that this legal road would ruin you mentally and financially probably, so my choice is to service with the dealer to the point where they try and rip you off - with that documented fact under your arm, you can then wander off to a third party servicer. If that doesn't happen, just stay with the dealer while the warranty is active.....unfortunately, goodwill by the dealer is you best ally when something goes phut ! PS: - I cleared off mid warranty - they tried to screw me - fraud actually !
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Reply By: Rick Blaine - Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 21:02

Sunday, Oct 31, 2004 at 21:02
Maybe you should check with your office of fair trading. In Canberra the rules state ( much to the horror of many car sales agencies) that in order to put in a warranty claim the manufacturer can only ask for proof of servicing who does it and where are of no consideration and also the Genuine parts bit was challenged a year or so ago and I think it was Subaru who had their case thrown out of court...I actually have in writing from Holden ( with whom I had several acrimonious discussions) a letter that states that I may do my own servicing without voiding the warranty on my Jack provided that I use genuine parts. Im not a diesel mechanic but I am mechanically inclined and to do the basic servicing as per the docket in your service book is not very challenging. If anything I cant do requires attention then its off to the local Holden man and get it done under warranty. I know the rules are different in all states but it is not the DEALER or Manufacturer who sets them it is the Fair Trading or equivelant authority in each state....
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Reply By: 28patrol - Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 00:41

Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 00:41
I normally get the dealer to do the first service. After that, it is the garage that I trust and will complete log book services on the car. Next is any port in a storm
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Reply By: Phil G - Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 18:59

Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 18:59
If you get your vehicle serviced,by the dealer, you will get cooperation with a warranty claim. If you don't then they will not be helpful. They make more money out of servicing than they do from selling cars, so they look after the loyal customers, and ignore the unloyal.

Having said that, I've been bitten by poor dealer servicing - they even destroyed the motor on my new vehicle and had to replace it. My replacement vehicle has been serviced my me since new, and I now have peace of mind - best quality oils, factory parts and I know whats been done.
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Reply By: 80scruiser - Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 20:29

Monday, Nov 01, 2004 at 20:29
Hi
Check out the article I have on my web site from the IAME (Institute of Automotive Mechanical Engineers). Interesting reading.
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