12 or 24 volt welders

Submitted: Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 08:18
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morning all.
does anyone have any idea as to where i could purchase one of these jiggers.???
thanking you.
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Reply By: Member - glenno (QLD) - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 09:27

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 09:27
I also think a welder is an important recovery item to carry and would like to know where to get a 12volt kit .
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Follow Up By: Member - glenno (QLD) - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 09:40

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 09:40
I just found my own answer , MOBI ARC on a past post . Why am i talking to myself . Next question is has anyone ordered one of these from the states .
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:52

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:52
I think it is Pirahna that make a 12v mig welder (gasless), but they are about $1200- from memory.
If you're only after a arc set-up, no need to buy a kit as such; probably cheaper to cobble a set-up together yourself. All you need is a short battery cable with appropriate terminal connectors on each end (about 12" would be ok). Then you need a pair of jumper cables. At this point you choose how snazzy you want to get. You could leave it at that, the method being to use the short cable to join the "+" of one battery to "-" of the other. The other "-" terminal holds the earth cable to the job. The other battery's "+" terminal takes the red cable. On the other end of the red cable you clamp in the welding rod and away you go; with appropriate safety gear of course.
If you want to look a bit more professional, you could cut the aligator clamp off one end of the red cable and buy a proper welding hand-piece from the hardware shop.
Hope this makes sense.
Cya
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Follow Up By: Vince NSW - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 12:48

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 12:48
I am a Crap welder but have tried this method at home. I was amazed at how long the battries lasted.
The weld was OK even with my welding abilty
Vince
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 18:52

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 18:52
Yes I've welded on and off for several hours repairing stuff outback and the batts would still start the truck.
anything that breaks and immobilises a vehicle in the bush is likely to be pretty heavy/thick so the stick on the batteries will give a better weld than the 12v mig. As you have discovered DC welding is better than the AC at home.
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Reply By: Member - Howard- Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 12:08

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 12:08
Cyril,
I have a 18-40 volt (is gas capable but I run as gasless) mig unit that I purchased 3 or 4 years ago at a home and lesure show in Canberra.As far as I can tell its identical to the one Phirana now sell . I paid $850 . Ace Access and Scaffolds at Queanbeyan were the agents.Dont know where you are based but ace have offices in Syd, newcastle,gosford,adelaide and melbourne.
Nice unit all self contained in a plastic brief case. all I did was fit some extra dark glass to a pair of oxy goggles and there was room in the case.
unit works better than the 240 gasless mig I have at home.
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Reply By: bob - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 19:52

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 19:52
Piranaha make a 12v battery operated welding kit (stick) that retails for $307 as well as the 12v Mig welder for $1250.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 21:10

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 21:10
Gents
I have just removed from my motor, an alternator that is a welder, 12v and 240v dc switchable. It welds up to 185 amps dc (dependant on engine revs) powers 240v equipment like lights, grinders, and drills at the same time... and charges my second battery when not required to do the other things. It is called an Auto arc welder...i dont think they are still available, but i am seriously considering selling this one because i have never used it for anything other than second battery charging, and that was taken out last week to make way for an intercooler.
As far as second battery charging goes, it is excellent because the alternator can sense and charge dependant on battery condition....any type aux battery can be used, and the normal charging system stays standard... all that is needed is an extra vee belt to drive it off the motor.
I have seen those Pirahna gasless migs, and they look the goods, but the wire is apparently quite expensive, and you need different wire for different applications, and mig wire doesnt like to be left unused for too long..etc etc...so that is quite an expensive accessory.
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Andrew
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Follow Up By: Big Woody - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 23:33

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 23:33
Over the last 20 years we have had several AutoArc welding systems fitted to vehicles in our family. I am yet to see a vehicle powered welding system work as efficiently or as effectively as these. From what I know they were built by Goddards Auto Electrics in Western Australia. Some of the earlier models were quite simple comprising of a 100 amp alternator, a knife blade switch (to isolate battery from the vehicle so that you could weld your own vehicle), and a regulating system, and finally a 240v dc inverter. The later models (which I still have in a box in the shed because I don't have enough room in the engine bay of a diesel GQ Patrol to fit it) used a printed circuit board to control the regulating and switching system. This part of mine blew up about 8 years ago and I chased up Goddards in Perth who were a different company to the original manufacturers but had someone available who knew the system and repaired and modified the system to make it more simple that if I ever had problems again it could be repaired by any auto electrician.
As far as performance goes, I have never had an easier weld as with this DC system. You can.t do anything wrong. The stick for some reason actually whistles as you weld. The amps are controlled by the revs of the engine. A green light comes on when the revs are high enough to operate either the welder or the 240v box. I had it installed on a couple of F100,s, a Bronco, and a Sahara Landcruiser. The alternator has a very small pulley and usually was sufficient to run the engine at 1000-1500 rpm's.
The booklet that came with my last AutoArc states that it will run a 1500w motor continuously and a 3000w motor intermittently. As a builder I have run drills, power saws, and even a compressor a couple of times on this system. As a general rule, because the power supply is DC and not AC I have only ever run electrical motors or element type appliances on the AutoArc and would never plug anything in that is electronic or has a circuit board in it. You have to be careful because even some of the simple variable speed drills have electronics in them now.
Good luck to anyone who can track one down second hand. There are still a few out there.
P.S. - Broke a main leaf on the rear spring on my Sahara on the Plenty Highway. Lined it all up and ran the stick welder around it on the side of the road. Sold the vehicle 3 years later with the same springs under it. (Don't tell anyone)
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Reply By: duncs - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 22:11

Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 22:11
There is a mob in WA, Perth I think that builds these things.

They are called Uni-Power. I had one in the GQ and for a while it worked a treat, but then the smoke got out. The guy who had it before me worked the car pretty hard and the welder was no exception.

(You know electrical things are really powered by smoke. They pack it into the wires at the power station and it runs through your gizmos and then back to the power station. When the smoke gets out they don't work anymore)

Can't believe I put that in here.

Anyway you could probably find them in teh white pages.

Hope this helps.
Duncs
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