The best laid plans of nice & men...
Submitted: Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 14:39
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Lone Wolf
... will invariably come unstuck, as what happened to me this morning.
Rang up my closest Land Rover dealer, asking if it would be okay to take a D90 for a test drive tomorrow. Don't know what made me do that, I mean, there're advertising them consistently on the back cover of all the 4 x 4 mags, should just be able to walk in I would of thought......
"No Sir, but would you like to take a 110 instead?"
"No, I REALLY want to get the feel of a D90, out on the Freeway and stuff"
"Can I take your number & call you when we get one in?"
"Yes.... 041.............. , now, when do you think that will be?"
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Well Sir, I am not too sure. Thing is, Land Rover have decided to stop importing all D90's & Crew cab 130's to Australia, so the only D90's we have, are the one's left in the country...."
So, there you go...... big price drop, big advertising push, and sell 'em off.
Still like 'em, but why am I suddenly getting cold feet?
79 Series is starting to look good...........
Bugger......
Wolfie
Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 14:50
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 14:50
You would have to be nuts to even consider a LR in this market place.
You have just seen a prime example of the service and attitude offered by LR.
Imagine what would happen when you require the inevitable warranty repairs that go with that particular brand, "Sorry sir not today we are all booked up with everyone else's warranty work for the next two weeks".
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:04
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:04
Better than a Ford. We have had (many) problems before and been told "no problem we will order the parts and fix it at the next service" but when the vehicle is picked up and it hasn't been fixed they say "Sorry, we have no record of that. We'll need to order the part and we'll fix it at next service".
We have had that happen 3 times in a row for missing/broken trim parts before. Plus other singular occurences for more serious probs.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:26
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:26
Utemad I also own a BA XR Falcon and have never had a issue with any service each time.
Come to think of it though I have never had a warranty claim on one of my Fords.
My Troopy required a couple of small issues fixed under warranty, The Toyota dealer did not have one small part required and said they would phone me as soon as it was in.
The following day I got my phone call, part is here when would you like to come back in. They also advised that they had reserved a loan vehicle for me if I required it. No complaints from me.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:59
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:59
John,
I didn't mean all Fords are terrible. Although rereading my post I can see that it looks that way.
I was meaning a certain dealership in particular. Although these two Fords we have at the moment are not the most reliable. Not saying they leave you stranded all the time (they have a few times) but they have some recurring problems that Ford likes to @#$%@# us around with.
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Reply By: crfan - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:11
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:11
Hi LoneWolfe try ringing up your local parts supplier and ask for price and availability for things like air filters/idler pulleys/rad hoses/belts etc for the landy
then try the same thing for Landcruiser then remember any genuine parts for the landy have to come from England, takes ages.
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Reply By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:16
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:16
Not too much of a difference between OME for either LR, Yotas or Nissans - they all charge too bloody much. For example - a rebuild of a Yota 4.2td fuel pump (100 series) is approx $5000.....a new one is slightly more than $10000, yep that's 10 thousand dollars.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:27
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:27
10k would just about buy you a new diesel, let alone a fuel pump ????
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 16:37
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 16:37
For most $10K would buy at least half a new engine - but not for a 100 series turbo diesel. Genuine part is about $10K
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Follow Up By: crfan - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 17:35
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 17:35
Re-build fuel pump on a toyota 100series $5000 were did you get that price from ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 15:28
Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 15:28
$10000 for a fuel pump????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I'd be dropping in a big Chevy or something for around the same dollars???? (I'm guessing here??)
Or selling the Yota for something else?????
Or dropping it in the Briny as a boat anchor.....
But seriously...... is the fuel pump made of Gold or something/??? Why are they so expensive???
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 16:54
Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 16:54
Crfan and Brian - To confirm the prices in your area ring your local Toyota dealer to find out who is authorised to undertake warranty work on their diesel fuel pumps and give them a call - you too may need a paramedic and oxygen. It was primarily the cost of spares and not the initial cost of the vehicle that turned me off buying a yota. The rebuild is a full rebuild and test that cost that much but when considered in the context of approximately $3K for a brand new pump for the patrol...
well no comparison really.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 09:42
Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 09:42
Patrol22 (Queanbeyan
My brother in law works in a car yard here and he has a 100 series diesel there that I "COULD" have for a stupidly low figure..... of course although I love the LC100, my heart truly lies with the Patrol anyway.... and $10K for a pump makes the choice much easier let me tell you!!! LOL......
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Reply By: Gossy - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:43
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 15:43
Don't want to push my own car here (so I won't tell you what I have so this is unbiased opinion).
I spent 11 years in the Army bush bashing the Land Rovers. I must say that I was glad I was not paying for the things to get fixed. Just take it to the mech's and get it back a week later!
Sorry, but wouldn't go near one when it is my own wallet. Sure the body concept is great and maybe Toyota and Nissan can learn something there about no rust later on in it's life and using the bonnet for storage and the back being quite square it makes it easy for packing etc etc, but the cost of parts is not good and the life span of parts is not good. We had a drive train snap in half (no joke!) doing the tracks in
Lancelin just north of
Perth. Had to get the truck and crane in to take back to
Perth. Obviously major faults like that were rare but there was always and clang or a bang which we had to report.
Sorry but considering the cost of ownership I personally believe there is better value for money out there.
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Reply By: flappan - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 16:04
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 16:04
The price alone on the 90 would kill you.
I mean , they aren't too bad , and by a few reports very capable out of the box , but still , By a Wrangler for half the price , kit it out , and the LR , wouldn't know which way it went. All for less then the 90 in standard trim.
No wonder they aren't selling many.
(I have only seen one).
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Reply By: navaraman - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 16:06
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 16:06
Hey Wolfenstein,
take the 110 for a run, that should be enough to put you off anyway, and make you see the sense in buying the 79. ;)
The poms shouldn't build 4bys we should stick to what we do best which is erm, erm, erm. What am I trying to say here.
We must still be good at something.
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Reply By: Member - glenno (QLD) - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 18:46
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 18:46
Hey Wolfie , Get a Troopy
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Follow Up By: toymn8r - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 19:21
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 19:21
Gotta agree with that. On my second and would not consider anything else for my needs,
Camping gear missus and 80kg dog
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Follow Up By: Member - glenno (QLD) - Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 12:51
Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 12:51
I will admit that if you look at my early posts i was looking at buying a defender . Why i didnt buy one . I see at least 10 troopys per day on the road and about 1 defender per week . Must mean something .
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Reply By: Mr Z - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 18:59
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 18:59
what sort of savings are land rover offering on the d90?
when i was considering one they were around 43-45k?
around the same money as a 110
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 19:35
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 19:35
$39.750.00 + on roads...
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Reply By: duncs - Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 21:57
Friday, Nov 05, 2004 at 21:57
Lets get this strate, I own a Nissan and I love it.
Now about Landrover, I like so many above have heard some pretty horrific stories about the old LR, all second hand. I know a couple of guys who would not buy anything else. One of these guys was a missionary in India in the 60's & 70's. The vehicle he was given to get around in when he first arrived was a landrover 1948 model. It was the actual vehicle displayed at the London Motor Show in 1948. Towards the end of his stay there he was given a Series 2. His job involved cyclone relief work and I have seen photos of some seriously overloaded Landrovers clawwing there way through some pretty ordinary country.
This guy currently owns a Disco 'bout a 96 model I think. He followed me all the way to
Cape York without a problem and he has done a lot of touring since then.
For the 50th aniversary of Landrover in 1998 they produced a mag about the history of Landrover. One of the statistics included was the fact that world wide over 60% of all Landrovers ever built are still road registered. Add to that the number of series 1 & 2's still running around on farms etc. and they stack up as a pretty reliable thing. I wonder how Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi and the like stand up next to that.
Like I said earlier I own a Nissan and feel no need to change. The Landrover is not teh vehicle for me but you won't hear me bagging it.
Just my 2c
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 12:59
Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 12:59
I would think the main reason that LRs are still getting around in such high percentages is their panels don't rust away. Mech bits can be changed but the body is more of a PITA to fix. We have a 1979 Nissan G60 that we bought brand new with the 3speed gearbox and 3.9L 6 cylinder petrol motor. Still ran last we tried. In fact we modified it into a front drive (2wd entry only) bash car. Once we did this it broke a front axle on its second outing on a
hill climb (1st broken bit ever). So mechanically it is fantastic but body wise it was unroadworthy about 15 years ago due to rust (saw
Moreton Island a lot). Never had any rebuilds and we used to tow a 26ft caravan with it.
Same goes for my brothers 45 series but he spent a lot of time cutting rust out and welding in new bits. Looks terrible but there is minimal rust now.
I would love a Discovery with its medium size yet coil sprung and live axles with t/diesel but the reliability scares me away. Some people I know swear by them (one guy is onto his third) but others that use them for difficult 4x4ing are constantly breaking axles and diffs.
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Follow Up By: toymn8r - Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 13:24
Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 13:24
I own atroopy and love it. Mate I work with owns a landy and loves it. We always bag each other to pass the time of day, however If you like it, whatever it is you don't need to justify it to anyone else.
Each to their own I reckon. It would be pretty boring if we all drove the same vehicle. Nobody would have any fun bagging out their mate.
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Reply By: fisho64 - Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 01:21
Saturday, Nov 06, 2004 at 01:21
I think there still a few of the cruisers from the
snowy river scheme around to? But theres no doubt that between the LR and the willies jeep, they are THE originals?
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