bubbles in radiator

Submitted: Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 21:04
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Hi there,Ihave an 84 datsun\nissen 720.I bought a second hand head which was crack tested and checked out.The problem is when you the thermostate in the head gets red hot but the water in the radiator is ice cold.You take the thermostate out and the water circulates fine.We put a brand new head gasket on when we put the head on and it started blowing bubbles back through the radiator.
Dad took the head off again and found one of the o-rings was broken.He took one off the old head gasket and repaired the new one,but to no avail it's still doing the same thing.
Can anyone help me with this problem
thanks
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Reply By: navaraman - Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 21:23

Sunday, Nov 07, 2004 at 21:23
Not sure but if the radiator is staying cold it sounds like the thermosta isn't opening. Take it out and put it in a bowl of hot water an see if it opens. If it does you could be fitting it the wrong way or have a blocked radiator hose. Try running the car minus the thermostat the rad should start to get warm.
I stand to be corrected on this as I'm a pretty poor mechanic.
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Follow Up By: kwakarx - Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:06

Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:06
thanks navaraman,I have tried your suggestion already and yes the coolant does get hot and there's no bubbles but i have been warned about running it to long without a thermostate in it.

thanks again
chris
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Follow Up By: G.T. - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:52

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:52
Just a small word of caution. When testing a thermostat put it in cold water and then bring it to the boil to see that it is opening correctly ie - fully, not partially. It`s best that you suspend a thermometer in the water to check that it is opening at the correct temperature. If you immerse the thermostat in hot to boiling water you will not get a good idea of what is happening and you run the risk of ruining the thermostsat anway, so you might as well go and buy a new one in the first place. Regards G.T.

P/S . Suspend both the thermostat and the thermometer in the water above the bottom of your water container so as you don`t get a false reading from the heat coming in from the bottom of your container from your stove or whatever. G.T.
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Reply By: Bobvic - Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 00:07

Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 00:07
I think Navarman is spot on with the thermostat. If it's hot and the radiator is cold then the coolant isn't getting past it. Test it as suggested but if in doubt put in a new one.
Blowing bubbles back through the radiator seems to be a separate problem. It usually means a crack in the head or a faulty head gasket. Basically you are getting the bubbles from the gas leaking from one of the cylinders via a crack in the head or a faulty head gasket. I think the repair of the gasket might be a problem as there's a lot of pressure in the cylinders and the gasket needs to be perfect. Another test for this is to release all pressure from the radiator cap, replace the cap, wait a short time (30 seconds) and release the cap again - listen for escaping gas indicating a build up of pressure. Pressure is meant to buid up with heat but not as quickly as it does if there is a leak from a cylinder.
Good luck!
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Follow Up By: kwakarx - Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:10

Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:10
hi bobvic,I agree with your notions about the water not getting past but i have put 3 new thermostats in and there all doing the same thing.
The head was crack tested and the valves were all ground and reseated before we put the new headgasket on.
Thanks for your insight
chris
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Reply By: Member - Clive G (WA) - Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 00:50

Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 00:50
Gday ,

never reuse a head gasket, more then often you find yourself pulling the head of again, not to often they will work second time around, the only suggestion I can give you is to put a new head gasket on, on pray that the problem was re using the head gasket, as you had the head tested for cracks and I hope the valves checked and checked for any warp while you had it off, then chances are it is the head gasket.

Clive
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Follow Up By: kwakarx - Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:18

Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 09:18
Hi clive,
Yes i had the head crack tested before i bought it.Also the valves were ground and reseated before fitting.
When dad repaired the new gasket with o-rings from the old gasket he said it run alot better but the bubbles were still there.
I put the thermostats in warm water on the stove and graduately heated the pot and they all opened fine.
Dad put a straight edge on the head and believes there only to be 1 though gap which we believe to be well within the acceptable limits for a head gasket to take up.
I myself believe we need a new gasket but i am trying to exhaust any other problems it could be before putting on a new gasket.

thanks
chris
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 10:06

Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 10:06
Just a thought
Some engines require a special thermostat. Have you checked that
Ray
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Follow Up By: kwakarx - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:00

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:00
Hi ray,Yes i went straight to autopro here and got one specifically for that motor.
Thanks for your reply
chris
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Reply By: awill4x4 - Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 19:15

Monday, Nov 08, 2004 at 19:15
Just thinking outside the square here. Is it possible that you have put in the thermostat upside down on this engine?
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: kwakarx - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:04

Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 09:04
Thanks Andrew but even without it in it was still blowing small bubbles but circulating fine.
cheers
chris
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Reply By: scott111 - Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 01:37

Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 01:37
Hi there
This does sound like head gasket is blown and you will have to replace it for it will blow good and proper sooner or later,as for your thermostat you could try running a non standard that has a cooler opening temp or running it without one at all.I have run plenty of motors without them and the older the motor the better they run.My wife has a holden berina 1995 model i took the themostat out over 90000 kms ago because of overheating problems that no workshops could solve so instaed of just keeping on forking out money to fix i took out thermostat against advise and it has now done 274000kms.I have done it with toyota 4.2 diseil and other motors good luck
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