Patrol Autos - TD & Petrol different
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 12:18
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Fusion
Hi Guys,
I'm now looking seriously at the Patrol. I'm wanting the ST-S because of the ABS. (And the
seat back trays, ha ha)
I notice the ST-S 3.0 TD auto is 4 speed and only capable of towing 2.5 tonne.
The ST-S petrol auto is 5 speed and capable of towing 3.5 tonne. So obviously the petrol auto is far superior. But it costs exactly the same amount. ie the ST-S Petrol Patrol costs $200 more than the TD, auto is a $3000 option for both.
I can't figure why they put the crap auto in the TD and the great auto in the petrol for the same price? Any ideas?
BTW the deal I've got in front of me at the moment is:
Patrol ST-S 3.0 TD, Auto - $53,788 on the road.
Inc. Cruise control
Tow Pack
Carpets front and back
Headlight and bonnet protector.
About $8000 off RRP (+ on road) I figure, so I'm not complaining. Although I'd like to go a bit better ;)
(This is far more than I was looking at spending in my last post, I better get to work so I can pay for it.)
Reply By: beatit - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 12:46
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 12:46
Guess one of the things you're wanting to know is if the auto is any good? I've had the 4.8 auto for the last 2 years - it is my escape machine. The daily commuter is a 5 litre VS commodore and whilst it maybe a bad comparison the Nissan slush box is smooth even under load (tow a trailer and boat) unlike the commodore. It is exceptional in the sand, certainly beats any concerns on manual gear changes by a long shot. Don't notice any appreciable increase in temperature when towing and aircon running on a hot day (unlike the commodore).
Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Fusion - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:03
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:03
Thanks Beatit,
I figured the 5 speed auto was going to be good, and you've confirmed it.
But I want the Turbo Diesel engine, so I'm stuck with the 4 speed t-bar auto, probably circa 1995, and obviously not matched to the engine, as it drops the tow capacity by 3/4 of a tonne.
Is the 4.8 fuel usage as severe as people say? Any idea how many litres you do per 100k?
Thanks,
Aaron.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:17
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:17
Here we go...here comes the petrol v. diesel debate.
Mate, from memory, you had a jigged back/leg or something and had to get an auto.
What do you like? Where's your main experience mechanically - diesel or petrols? What does the swmbo like? Do you really care about economy? Is it short term/long term purchase?
Chris.
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Follow Up By: Fusion - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:36
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:36
Hi Chris,
You must be mistaking me for someone else. My back and legs are fine, AFAIK ;)
I'm the guy who was considering a worked Navara or standard patrol (both TD). After driving both I'm heading for the standard patrol. I've never owned an auto and wasn't planning to get one, but after driving both the manual and auto 3.0TD I'm after the auto. Main reason: the manual really feels like I'm driving a truck, the auto was smooth and made the whole thing very car-like. (I hate the power loss of slush boxes, but such is life)
So I've pretty much decided on the Auto Patrol TD, but I can't understand why they put an old unmatched auto in the TD, and a great Auto in the Petrol. If the petrol engine wasn't as powerful as the TD then we'd have a clean cut answer, the auto can't hack the power, but the Petrol is more powerful than the TD. Makes no sense.
BTW: running costs are important and it is a long term purchase. I know you prefer the 4.2 TD, but I'm after the power and fuel economy of the 3.0 (with D-tronic eventually), plus the auto. Won't last as long as the 4.2, but I don't mind.
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Follow Up By: Fusion - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:41
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:41
Hey Chris,
I love your rig, can I ask a few more questions?
1) Were you able to get better than Book RRP on the ARB air locker / compressor + install? If so where did you get it done? (I'm also in SEQld - Pacific Pines on the
Gold Coast to be exact)
2) Can the cargo barrier be removed easily when not in use, or is it a
tools out time consuming affair?
Thanks,
Aaron.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:43
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:43
My TD6 gets 8.5k/l average, just last week I managed to get 8.84 k/l. This included some towing, 400k's of city, and the rest highway. The costs of a ditronic would pay for an upgrade to the TD6 motor giving you simply superb performance...
However, if you want an auto, and you don't mind that the 3L won't last as long, go the 4.8, fuel consumption is worse, but power is great, torque is pretty good.
I'm coming around to Go OFF road's idea of a petrol purchase being cheaper long term for both servicing and fuel usage.
You must consider however that fuel prices go up and down like a yo yo so in 3 months time, diesel could be cheaper by a long shot. If you need 3.5 tonne towing capacity, you need power.
Long term, and figures prove this from speaking with Nissan, the 4.2 TDI is a safe bet for resale due to the large amount of 3L's on the road.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:48
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:48
Mate, what's your email address? Let's have a chat...
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Follow Up By: Fusion - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:52
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 13:52
aaron@fc7.com
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Follow Up By: beatit - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 14:18
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 14:18
Aaron,
The fuel consumption is crappy. On a trip to frazer fully loaded, trailer and all we only managed 3.2km/ltr. This trip included doing soft sand just to see how it would all travel etc. Needless to say needed a long range
tank to last any distance and deep pockets once you get to the bowzer.
Kind regards
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Reply By: Bjorn - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:23
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:23
since when could you get dtronic for a TD6?
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Follow Up By: Fusion - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:34
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:34
Hi Bjorn,
I'm looking at the 3.0 TD, for the D-tronic. Sorry about the confusion.
Aaron.
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Reply By: Chaz - Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 06:57
Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 06:57
Hi Fusion,
Take a look at the ratio's of both auto boxes and you'll find that the 4 speed's are ideal for the torque and power curves of the 3 litre, where as the 5 speed box isn't. The 5 speed it's just a closer ratio box. I dont think the extra gear is warrented, because the diff ratio's suit the tall overdrive on the 4 speed, and also the convertor flashes to 2000 rpm where the diesel makes it's maximun torque. It would have been nice for Nissan to give the 4 speed a sequential shifter though.
If you do get the diesel auto, consider getting a "shift kit" installed, as it makes a world of difference to the drivability of the auto. Quicker, sharper and more responsive driving and gearchanges, with less momentum loss and a cooler running trans.
Chaz
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Follow Up By: Fusion - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 00:38
Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 00:38
Hi Chaz,
What is the 'shift kit' and what exactly does it do? Is it Nissan or aftermarket? I've done a heap of research and I haven't come across it yet.
Thanks for the info.
Aaron.
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Reply By: Chaz - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:41
Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:41
Hi Aaron,
I've always called them shift kits, but most people refer to them as "Transmission Re-Programming Kits". They are produced by most of the American performance transmission shops such as B&M, Fairbanks and Trans-Go to name a few. Fortunately we Nissan owners can get them for our Jatco RE4R03A transmissions because the V8 Nissan Infinity sold in the USA uses the same gearbox.
What it does is take out the "lag" in the gearshift. It gives you a much quicker gear change that you can feel, rather than the smooth, slow shift that is produced by the factory settings. Transmissions are made to be smooth through the gears, but that generates a lot of heat and wear that eventually kills the gearbox. Fitting a shift kit will allow the gearbox to go straight into the next gear without spending as much time between them, where all the wear and heat occurs.
Most of my vehicles have been auto's and they have all had shift kits in them. I fit them myself, it's easy and in most cases it's just a matter of replacing a few springs in the valve body, and drilling a few holes out.
I think I paid around $130 for my Nissan shift kit which is a Trans-Go unit.
I hope this helps, but check out these links for more info.
http://www.txchange.com/transgo.htmhttp://www.automatictransmission.com.au/default.asphttp://www.autotranz.com.au/http://www.transtarindustries.com/
Chaz
http://members.bettanet.net.au/~conody/index.htm
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