Earth Leakage

Submitted: Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 12:47
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Another dumb question.

I went to Bunnings to buy an electrical safety pack for camping use on caravan parks when powered sites are available. You can buy one of the commonly used orange Ringrip type for $138.00 (which appears to comply with several Australian Standards. Next to them you can buy a cheap make for $28.00 which didn't appear to have any stickers advertising compliance with any Australian Standards. Both claim to cut out in milliseconds with a 30mA leak to earth. Both have over load protection.

Does anyone know if there some compromise on safety if I bought the cheap one.

Thanks

Paul
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Reply By: Utemad - Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 13:55

Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 13:55
Perhaps the cheaper one is a one off use? Like some of the spike protection things that die after one hit?

I have a Clipsal one. Not sure on cost as it was an old work one. If nothing else they make great short extension leads with built in quad adapter.
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Follow Up By: Rod E B - Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 14:36

Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 14:36
I got a cable from Bunnings with the earth leakage as a plug on one end

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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 14:50

Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 14:50
Quite surprisingly the leads with built in ELP plug can't be plugged into most caravan park sockets as there is not enough space, you have to use a short standard lead between it & the park socket, which sort of defeats the purpose.
We don't normally stay in c/van parks but on our recent long trip we stayed in a few & noticed this problem.
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Reply By: Johnny Nav - Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 17:43

Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 17:43
Without testing the trip time of the cheaper unit it is hard to know if it infact does do what the packaging claims. If you have a sparkey mate, I would get him to approach bunnings with his RCD (residual current device) tester in hand and ask if he can test the cheaper unit. I would have him test it a few times at different leakages and see how it goes. If it passes, chances are that it will do the same in the field.

ps I do not advocate buying products without Australian standard compliance (and neither should Bunnings).

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Reply By: navaraman - Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 17:43

Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 17:43
pauls I don't know whether the chaeper unit is less safe than a better known brand but I wouldn't want to find out the hard way. I use a good quality one at work and wouldn't be without one, you get what you pay for generally.
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Follow Up By: pauls - Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 18:59

Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 18:59
Navaraman

Yes I agree, but at the same time you can't help wondering if you are getting any additional quality for the extra $100.

Paul
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Reply By: Woobla (WA) - Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 19:46

Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 19:46
G'Day Paul,
I install many rcds and you get what you pay for.
Whilst the rcd may trip the same I doubt the quality of the plug contacts and bet London to a brick the plug will not last once you put a bit of current through it.
IMHO I would stick with either Clipsal or Ringrip...same same.
I believe all Caravan park outlets are protected by RCD's anyway and if you are contemplating your purchase soley for that reason you may be throwing good money away.
Jeff
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Reply By: drivesafe - Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 20:13

Saturday, Nov 13, 2004 at 20:13
Hi paul, all caravan parks have to comply with the Australian standards as does the equipment being sold by Bunnings. But I would recommend you go to an electrical wholesaler to buy that sort of gear and still shop around.
Caravan parks all have on site 16 amp power supplies with earth leakage protection, so you can decide whether you need it or not.
As for quality, it wasn’t all that long ago that Ringrip made elcheapo stuff so I can not see how there could be so much difference in price for a justifiable difference in quality. As I said, it might pay you to shop around.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Nov 14, 2004 at 15:38

Sunday, Nov 14, 2004 at 15:38
I would question if ALL caravan parks have earth leakage protection, or is it an urban myth like all boat marinas have ELP?
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Reply By: drivesafe - Sunday, Nov 14, 2004 at 17:28

Sunday, Nov 14, 2004 at 17:28
All caravan parks open to the public have to comply with specific requirements where power is concerned. Part of the requiremnet is 16 amp circuit breaker and earth leakage protection.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: sean - Sunday, Nov 14, 2004 at 21:38

Sunday, Nov 14, 2004 at 21:38
Drivesafe

You say "All caravan parks open to the public have to comply with specific requirements.....",

Under what law do all old park installations have to upgrade. Please tells us how this is so and how it is enforced. Does it apply to every jurisdiction in Australia.

Sean
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Reply By: drivesafe - Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004 at 09:16

Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004 at 09:16
Hi sean, see AS/NZS 3001:2001 for details. This was updated in 2001 but the standard has been around for at least 10 years, probably longer.
Cheers
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Reply By: Noosa Bushtrackers - Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004 at 12:35

Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004 at 12:35
In January of this year we attended the Tamworth Country Music Festival and left our caravan parked at the Kootingal Kourt Caravan Park. One day when we returned back to the van we found that the power had been off (microwave clock no longer set) and on checking found that the park management had put a double adaptor at the park outlet point and then given power toanother caravan as well as ours from the same supply. This double adaptor was a Bakalite 10amp type with the earth sockets filed out so that they would now fit a 15amp earth plug into them.

Had no joy with park owners/managers so went into town to report to electrical authority, only to find that the nearest electrical inspectors were on the coast at Coffs Harbour, (I think). Went to Work Cover and although very helpful did not have jurisdiction and could only ring and make some threats to have power disconnected etc.

It is hard to see how a lot of these caravan parks could comply with the electrical requirements when there is no one out there inspecting premises, even when complaints are made.

Brian
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Reply By: Member - Andrew O - Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004 at 12:47

Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004 at 12:47
I knew there was a reason I didn't like powered sites ...

However, given we're talking about potential electrocution here of a family member, isn't that worth the extra $100 to be absolutely sure??

Ringgrip is the consumer brand of Clipsal, so qaulity is assured - just ask the 70% of electrical contractors who use Clipsal gear.

I work for the company that owns Clipsal, so yes there is an affiliation. However, one of the company's tasks is to find gear that is imported and sold, without complying with the relevant standard - there is lots of it, and some is just plain dangerous. And this product makes no compliance claim in the first place ... hmmm

As always ... caveat emptor

Cheers
Andrew
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 17:13

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 17:13
Hi Andrew O, whether Ringgrip complies or not is no excuse for the ridiculous price. As I posted earlier, someone interested in buying such products would be very wise and financially better off if they shopped around. Ringgrip may or may not be the ants pants but it is still an elcheapo import and there are other products out there that will do the job and will have compliance but do not have the unjustifiable price tag.
Compering Ringgrip and Australian made products is like compering chalk and cheese only in this case, Bunnings are marketing the chalk at cheese prices.
One more point especially where safety is a concern, I would not go to a gardening centre or a supermarket to buy electrical safety gear so why go to the likes of Bunnings
Cheers.
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