DEEP CYCLE BATTERY is it any good

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 22:17
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HI every one my deep cycle battery has been sitting doing nothin for the past 6 weeks whole the paj got fixed up would it still be any good to keep the fridge going ,we had to buy a new battery to start the paj back up so would i have to buy a new deep cycle one as well any respones would be great cheer,s GREEENDOG
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 22:50

Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 22:50
As long as it was ok to start with and was stored fully charged it is probably ok.
Suck it and see...give it a good charge and check it with a hydrometer. If it checks out try it with the fridge.
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Follow Up By: peter in sa - Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 22:59

Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 22:59
Mad dog i have,nt got hydrometer can i just start fridge up a see weather it stays on or not would that be ok
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 23:08

Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 23:08
The hydrometer will give a very good indication of the state of charge and it wont costs very much. I picked mine up 8 years ago for a few dollars. Try super cheap, kmart may have them. Yeah you could try seeing how long the battery lasts but it's not a good idea to flatten batteries.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 23:17

Thursday, Nov 18, 2004 at 23:17
Oh yeah if you have a multimeter you could also measure the voltage as a rough guide. Have a read of this article on Colins site

http://www.caravanandmotorhomebooks.com/articles/lead_acid_batteries.htm
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:25

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:25
I thought deep cycle batteries are designed to be fully discharged and then recharged compared with starting batteries which dont like being fully discharged?

I agree the hydrometer gives the best indication of the state of charge fo the battery and even better it will indicate one cell down against the other giving early warning of battery failure. Go to supercheap and get one they shouldnt be more than $10 and will last for ages, or drive to Geelong and Ray can check your battery.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:31

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:31
>I thought deep cycle batteries are designed to be fully discharged and >then recharged compared with starting batteries which dont like being >fully discharged?

Hi Geoff, Colin sums it up nicely down below, gotta love this exchange of information eh!
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:34

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:34
Yeh Ray Just read that, he knows Stuff (notice the Capital T) doesnt he, I read his reply with great interest.
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Reply By: drivesafe - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:44

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:44
Hi peter in sa, I take it you have your paj back on the road, if so next time you know you are going for a good drive ( an hour at least ) just put the deep cycle back in the paj and when you get back put a load on on it, a fridge say, and see if it runs it for a while.
If it does not go flat after say 10 minutes or so then it’s probably OK but as to how much capacity it has as against its original storage capacity and operating life left, only time will tell.
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Follow Up By: peter in sa - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 13:19

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 13:19
Yes it,s back on the road thank god for that ,i have the pirania dual batt set up in the paj so every thing is automatic at laest i think it is , i,m goin to kadina tomorrow so after that i,ll put the fridge on and see what happen,s thank,s GREENDOG
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Reply By: Squizzy - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 09:33

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 09:33
I was always led to believe that a deep cycle battery should be flattened regularly to give it a longer life. You can buy gadgets to leave in the cigarette lighter to slowly discharge the deep cycle battery when it is left sitting for a while.
It is normal batteries that shouldn't be flattened and recharged frequently.
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Follow Up By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 09:52

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 09:52
Squizzy

Reflattening batteries.

This belief has arisen as the practice is actually recommended for NiCad batteries. But ONLY for NiCad batteries.

Regularly flattening a deep cycle battery is the quickest way to kill it short of running over it with a Humvee!

The lifespan of a deep cycle battery is substantially determined by how deeply it is discharged and how often. A typical such battery will withstand about 5000 cycles discharged by 10% - 15%, 3000 cycles discharged by 20%, 1000 cycles discharged by 40%, 500 cycles discharged by 50%, and less than 100 cycles if discharged by 80%.

Deep discharging causes severe sulphation. This can be reveresed to some extent via a Megapulse unit. but if repeatedly flattened the damage is not reversable.
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Reply By: Member - Ross P (NSW) - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 10:14

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 10:14
Wet cell batteries, deep cycle or otherwise, shoud never be discharged below about 50%. It can shorten their life dramatically.
My recommendation is that you invest in a quality multi-stage "smart" battery charger and make sure you store the battery fully charged.
These chargers cost upward of $350.00 but but IMO worth every cent.
I have just returned from a big trip and have a deep cycle battery in the car and one in the caravan. The last leg of the trip was Forster to Wollongong without stopping.
When I put my 7A Cteck (Bainbridge Technolies) charger on the van battery it came up to about 80% charge in about 8 hours but it was about 48 hours later before ot indicated FULLY charged and went to maintenance mode. It is quite safe to leave the battery connected in this mode indefinitely as the charger has smarts to deal with this condition.
The point of this story is that you will never fully charge your battery from the vehicle's electrical system no matter how long you run the car. The best seems to be about 80%. I also think on a long trip, driving and camping with the battery not being charged properly results in less and less capacity available as time goes by.
If mains is not available it seems Solar with a smart regulator or a quality generator that produces 240V compatible with a "smart" battery charger is the way to go but that will cost about $1300.00. A lot of generators are not sutable to run mains operated battery chargers.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:54

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 12:54
okay, there's lots of talk here about extracting the most from deep cycle batteries, how to correctly charge for longevity etc. Personally I don't give myself any heartache. I have excess capacity and I just thrash the hell out of it if I have to and buy a new one every year. At $130 or so I just aint gonna worry about it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross P (NSW) - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 15:22

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 15:22
With my luck, the time I need it most is when it's gonna fail and it'll be pouring rain, I'm miles from nowhere and I'm getting hot tounge and cold shoulder.
A liitle bit of maintenance at sensible use keeps the peace......
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 17:45

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 17:45
Sooner or later all batteries fail no matter how well they are maintained. The trick is to replace them before they let you down.
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Reply By: drivesafe - Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 16:47

Friday, Nov 19, 2004 at 16:47
Hi Mad Dog, your way of looking at it is actually the most economic way of getting the capacity you need.
You can buy all the fancy products you want, but by the time you add up the cost of all these EXTRAS you could have bought another battery of the same size, doubling your capacity and still have more money in YOUR pocket but unfortunately there are too many sales people out there who should know better but are more interested in making more out of customers who have come along to them thinking that these salesmen will givet honest solutions to meet the customers needs. Not so.
More battery capacity and the use of good heavy battery cables will solve 99% of needs and problems that most people come across.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 21, 2004 at 08:52

Sunday, Nov 21, 2004 at 08:52
Lots of info here some a bit too technical for the average me but there is enough to get a relly good grasp on batteries.

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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Sunday, Nov 21, 2004 at 17:53

Sunday, Nov 21, 2004 at 17:53
Hi Brett H, let us know how you get on. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 21, 2004 at 21:00

Sunday, Nov 21, 2004 at 21:00
Get on?

with what?

Sorry, I have had a couple of beers, have I missed something?
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