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Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 19:19
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G’Day! Would anyone have ever seen fresh water sources gushing offshore? They are located in shallow water, within 3 or 5 miles from the coasts, and they can be seen from the surface as a smoother aureole or as bubbling. Any hint? Cheers.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 19:22

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 19:22
Look closer, and you will see they contain..... turds!

Effluent..... LOL!!!

Nah ...... dunno.......

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Reply By: Yvemail - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 19:28

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2004 at 19:28
Jee! not sure we talk of the same underground aquifer discharge phenomenon... sorry... cheers
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 00:08

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 00:08
Off the coast of Port McDonnell south of Mt Gambier SA there is a number of Aquifer outlets, but you won't see them from the surface, they ain't that strong to show there presence on the surface of the Southern Ocean.
If you snorkel Ewen's Ponds you will see the water bubbling through the bottom.

Why do you want to know ?
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Follow Up By: Yvemail - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 11:28

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 11:28
Thanks a lot John. Would you happen to know about the same discharge phenomenon in the South West of WA? In the case of the WA Tamala limestone discreet discharge can be observed in a few places. Anecdotal stories from fishermen obtaining fresh water from upwellings in the ocean abound around the WA coast, but no firm locations are known. Actually, that's what I am looking for, at the moment. But any information on other places will be great too! Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 15:50

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 15:50
Personally never heard of the same in WA but would not doubt that the effect would be found in the south west as the area has huge and extensive limestone areas.
I have cave dived the Nullabour Plains caves and these are quite unique in that they have a relativley stong water flow in most as oposed to the Mt Gambier caves where only the outlets near the coast have disernable flow, all the cave and sink hole systems further inland have such a small flow you can't detect it.
The Nullabour cave water has to go somewhere and I would guess due to the depth that the water table is found in this region that it would surface somewhere far out to sea in the Great Australain Bight.

I would think that the tale you hear about of the fishermen getting fresh water out at sea is just that a tale, the water flow would have to be huge to allow a degree of separation between salt and fresh long enough to fill a bucket.
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Follow Up By: Yvemail - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 18:17

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 18:17
So interesting. Thanks a lot. As for filling bucket of fresh water offshore, it is possible. As an example, an old gentleman from Nannup used to do it when shipping offshore Capel in the 1930s. I'd be happy to find the source. It's no longer bubbling on the surface, but it's still there. Another famous one is located offshore Albany. Otherwise. it's still kind of current practise in the Mediterranean sea, Phoenicians' way! I have nice pics. But over there, it is in a karstic environment; sub-sea springs are many and relatively easy to localize.
I will investigate about Nullabour cave and let you know. Thanks again.
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Follow Up By: Yvemail - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 17:18

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 17:18
Re. Oondiri. It is indeed one of the largest karstic formation in the world. I wonder if the variation in land height is enough to have underground discharge at sea.

In the case of the Mt Gambier caves, couldn't it rather be a sort of Ghyben-Herzberg Lens phenomenon (with fresh ground water sitting directly on an intruded body of salt water)?

(You are not involved in WestWater, are you?)
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 17:45

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 17:45
Don't know for sure about the fresh on salt theory for Mt Gambier.
But I some how think it is not the case, based on all the years of my involvement in the area nobody ever offered that as an explanation.

I think Mt Gambier limestone acts a a pure aquifer with the water entering the formation many km's north of the Mount and discharging at the coastal and offshore areas several million years later.

Sub salt levels has never been raised as an issue in this area to my knowledge.

Sorry nothing to do with Westwater.
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Reply By: Member - Alan - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 16:39

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 16:39
Have not seen fresh water at sea but have seen fresh water coming out of the sand between high & low water marks just north of Wedge Is, (1km) a few years ago- not sure if its still going or where it comes from.
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Follow Up By: Yvemail - Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 18:28

Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004 at 18:28
Discharge takes place close to shore by seepage on the west coast of WA. It's probably an explanantion. That's anyway a good encouragement to investigate this zone further! Thanks!
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