22 Megapixels...Whoa!!

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This, is what 22 Megapixels looks like on a medium format back.

Medium format btw is simply bigger than 35 mm, like 60 mm. from memory.

This image has been reduced for the net, and you can bet the lens costs more than your 4 x 4, but we can all live in hope!

Here it is.....22 Megapixels... drool...

Cheers

Wolfie
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:14

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:14
Okay, too many bourbons....

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/153963

a href="http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/153963">22 Megapixels.. drool..
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:21

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:21
Have another mate... wanna try that link again
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:23

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:23
Megapixels.. drool..

If this doesn't work...hic..... just cut & hic.... paste....hic

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:25

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:25
Haha

That is awesome definition and color. Its all good wolfie, the beers are flowing here in Melb.
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:26

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 19:26
GOT IT!!!!!t
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Reply By: Savvas - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 20:49

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 20:49
Wow ... my eyes don't have that sort of resolution!
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Reply By: Member - Robb (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 20:52

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 20:52
Hey Wolfie, dont be fooled by the number (22 megapixels)... Phase one backs (for Med Format) are on the way out... You can get very very similar results from a 15 mp digi slr except the slr is easier to use and not so cumbersome. Given a choice I will stick with the Canon EOS1dS...

Just my 2 cents... Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Saturday, Nov 27, 2004 at 16:31

Saturday, Nov 27, 2004 at 16:31
me too if I could afford it.

I still havent gone digital, prefering to shoot Velvia, hell I only just upgraded to autofocus :-). After having almost all my equipment stolen twice.
So much money can be tied up in those little polycarbonate boxes, or more correctly the pieces of highly polished rock that attach to the front of them, that some of us can't part with them until we have to. The wife and I are going digi soon, and we will stick to out trusty Canon EOS range. I note Canon has a 14 MP camera now but I have not seen it.

David O
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Saturday, Nov 27, 2004 at 16:56

Saturday, Nov 27, 2004 at 16:56
for some reason the link below my name didn't work so www.djolsen.com is it. I'll see if I can get it to work here ->
my pics
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Saturday, Nov 27, 2004 at 18:46

Saturday, Nov 27, 2004 at 18:46
One word..........

WOW!!!!

I bet not many here know about these, why don't you give it a plug?

Cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 08:26

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 08:26
Give my photos a plug???
Well thanks Wolfie!

Most of the photos were taken on a recent trip to SA and NT. I had worked as a freelance lens man for years, but had all my gear stolen twice in those early years, and shooting sport at the time meant I had some very expensive lenses. I gave up in digust some 8 or 9 years ago, and swore I'd never own a camera again.

After I married (at 40 years of age) my wife learned of my past exploits and encouraged me to get back into it. I resisted, until we got into the 4wd scene. Once we began planning THE BIG TRIP, I knew I would have to take a camera. We bought an old T90 and some low end lenses from a friend (hence the vignetting in some shots).

When we got back we showed the pics to some old contacts, and next thing you know, I am getting some commisioned work again. Then my old MTB friends get asked to do a TV series, and I see them in the news, so I ring to congratulate and make contact with them, and next thing I am back shooting MTB races again.

Justine and I have contributed a few trek notes, and now we are working on some stories for a couple of magazines. I love the outback and we plan many more trips. We are about to print a number of these photos in very large sizes and will be exhibiting them soon.

Many of Kata Tjuta, I can't publish, because I wasn't well informed and I was taking pics where commercial photography isn't allowed- I am applying for some of them to be approved for publication.

Anyhow, enjoy them, and if anyone wants to purchase a size that is not listed, ie really BIG prints, send me an email.

Dave O
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Reply By: GOB & denny vic member - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 20:56

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 20:56
goodday wolfie
thats mindblowing but whats the camera worth as you say more than the 4b

steve
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 21:59

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 21:59
Steve, can't be quoted on these, because I'm not in the market, but some of the medium format stuff & one lens can go around $20,000.00 AUS, which is more than either of my vehicles.

My lecturer at Uni always reminded us of a particular lens, that cost more than his car!

Cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 22:24

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 22:24
Must've drove a Toyota!
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Reply By: jackablue - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 21:14

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 21:14
Check out this 2.5 Gigapixel photo

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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 21:56

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 21:56
That is scary!

When I was a kid growing up at Woomera, Dad used to work for NASA out at Island Laggon, before Nurrungar was built. There used to be a telescope there called Baker Nunn, Huge resolution.

One has to wonder about the advances we are seeing in CCD & CMOS technology, as we have had satellites up for a long time now, and you can be guaranteed that they were WAAAY better than 22 Megapixels even back in the Eighties..

Funny thing though, we have all heard about Hubble, and how it is now obsolete, and it's successor, can't remember it's name.......... Well, consider this........... all the GOOD telescopes ARE NOT POINTING OUT IN SPACE!!!! Think about that for a while..........

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Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Penguin (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 23:08

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 23:08
WOW!!! I just zoomed in on a car and read it's numberplate.

That's scary!

Mike
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Follow Up By: Squire - Friday, Nov 26, 2004 at 10:16

Friday, Nov 26, 2004 at 10:16
A 2.5 Gigapixel photo may sound impressive, but it wasn't taken as a single photo. It's a series of photos connected together. Zoom in on the Bus travelling along the road on the right hand side and you can see the ghostly image of a car in the middle of the bus from where the photos were blended together.

It's still a very impressive photo though...
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 08:11

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 08:11
apparently, from the orbit these sattelites operate and using the equipment available, 3 metres is the resolution, so for instance late in the day they can see the shadows of a group of people but may not see the people. Still thats pretty damn good from that distance and looking through the haze.

PS you can request to buy a photo of any location on earth taken at pretty much anytime you nominate for around $2000.
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Reply By: D-Jack - Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 23:16

Thursday, Nov 25, 2004 at 23:16
I'm obviously completely photography illiterate. Why wouldn't my 4 mp Canon C750 take a picture like that and post it on the web like that? Isn't a photo only as good as it's display medium (eg computer monitor vs poster print) and if that's the case how do we tell that this picture was taken on a 22mp camera and not my 4mp camera by looking at it on the net via our monitors?

Ignorant but inquisitive
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Follow Up By: David T - Friday, Nov 26, 2004 at 01:21

Friday, Nov 26, 2004 at 01:21
You're not ignorant - quite correct actually.

The photo is quite clear, probably a product of the lens system it was taken through, however the image on the web site is only 650 x 487 pixels in size (a grade total of 0.3megapixels) and only 112kb. The original file would probably have been 30-40mb for a 22Mp raw image.

All of the comments on that website are probably said by people who spend an awful lot of time trying to read things into images and make great pontifications in an attempt to sound knowledgeable. How can you really comment on the quality of an image when you are seeing only 1.3% of the original image...

I'm the first to admit I am picky about quality in my digital camera and will spend a lot of money in the future on a nice Digital SLR package with high grade lenses. But if I want to show off the quality to my friends - I'll have to send them a CD of the image - the original files wouldn't fit in most e-mail inboxes...

Just my 2 cents worth, which in the age of rounding means bugger all...

DavidT
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:50

Friday, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:50
David, What would the crieria be for that nice Digital SLR and high grade lens?
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Follow Up By: David T - Friday, Nov 26, 2004 at 12:30

Friday, Nov 26, 2004 at 12:30
As I won't be able to buy it for probably 12 months or so, I'll be looking towards the likely replacement for the Nikon D70, which I would guess will be about 8Mp by then. (It didn't take too long for Canon to replace the 10D with the 20D - a rise from 6 to 8 Mp - I realise the 10D is probably better compared to the Nikon D100 - but there is very little between the D70 & D100) The standard lens that is on the D70 is from Nikon's mid range series of lenses, not the usual consumer series lens that comes with most SLR packages. My father in law has a couple of these lenses already for his D100, and I have been impressed with their performance.

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DavidT
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Saturday, Nov 27, 2004 at 16:48

Saturday, Nov 27, 2004 at 16:48
We will be going for the D20 Canon. At 8 MP it is capable of doing a pretty good cover photo for magazine, something that couldnt be contemplated until about 6 MP became available. You need roughly 5.5 MP do do an A4 cover justice- much more if you want really high quality. A D20 retails for about $2600

As for lenses, Canon really have two main ranges of lens. The pro range means you will pay something approaching 2 grand for a wide zoom, sometimes more if you go to f2.8. In telephoto, a 70-210 f2.8 retails for about $2600 but I've seen them new for around $1700 on ebay.

I shoot a lot of sport as well, and f2.8 teles are the order of the day, though I do prefer to shoot things like mountain biking with an ultrawide lens held real close to the subject and panned. One cover photo I did for Australian Mountain Bike resulted in a damaged 20mm lens because I wanted to "drag" my camera in front of the handlebars, as the rider flew past. In a practice run setup for the pic, I was holding the camera at arms length firing off shots with a low shutter speed and a flash. Unfortunately the handlebars hit the lens!!!! ouch!!!!

A rival magazine editor described it as the best cover shot he had seen to date, which made me feel alot better, but I've taken better since, and besides it didn't really make up for the damaged lens, at least not financially. But I digress LOL
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Reply By: Member - Rohan - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 17:14

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 17:14
There's a fellow (marli) over on Overlander that produces some amazing photograpgs with a lot less than 22 megapixels.

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Scan this thread for Marli and check some of them out

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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:26

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:26
I am a fan of Marli's work. Very consistent.

Actually, there is a lot of good work on that forum.

Cheers

Wolfie
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Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 17:40

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 17:40
I remeber using a Hasselblad camera back years ago that utilised what they called a "flying spot CCD" - which literally vibrated the CCD array - effectively moving it back and forth - and by so doing got twice the resolution over native resolution from the unit. Very clever in its day..... and expensive. Our company bought one for advertising photography, and the back alone was nearly 35 grand. Yikes!
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:28

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:28
I have never come across that. What sort of resolution were you getting, and what size were the RAW files?

I have heard & read about the triple array, which is quite good.

Cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:35

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:35
It was yearas ago, so it's a bit foggy - but somewhere near 8Mb per image - which was pretty good in the late 90's!!
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