Loose steering on 98 Jack
Submitted: Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:19
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Robbg
I've noticed some old threads that mention steering looseness or play in Jackaroos. Despite the suggestions that it might be alignment, tyres, or some problem along the steering column, I'm fairly sure the problem in my jack is in the steering box. Turning the wheel lightly back and
forth (engine not running) has the shaft rotating in the box without the
wheels even moving. Is there an adjustment on the steering box to eliminate this play or am I looking at a rebuild?
Rob.
Reply By: ianmc - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:36
Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 21:36
Cant speak for your Jack BUT most steering boxes have a slotted screw & lock nut on the top of the box to take up the slack. Dont overdo it as the box may BIND when left or right of centre. Test it with
wheels off ground & no power.
If the drop arm on the bottom of the box which joins onto the trackrod moves from side to side when you rock the wheel but front
wheels dont respond you have worn ball joints &/or idler arm bushes which are attached to LH side of chassis.
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Reply By: Steviebee - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 01:34
Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 01:34
Robbg,
I have had a '99 Jackaroo since new and am now on my third steering column ! Same problem - easily noticed with car stationary, engine off. Grab steering wheel and turn lightly to left and right produces a sort of knocking. I suggest you crouch down next to the drivers side front wheel and look into the engine compartment over the top of the tyre. Through a small opening, you'll see a corrugated metal tube which is part of the steering column. If you grasp this firmly and apply force vertically up and down, you will feel the knock. Now, lift the bonnet and locate the corrugated metal tube - moving a few inches up the column towards the steering wheel you will see a sort of rubber covered metal coupling, maybe 50 mm diameter x 75 mm long. Now grab that and apply force vertically up and down, and I think the knock is inside !
Holden explained it as a sort of CV joint (it is not the universal joint - that is further down towards the steering box). It doesn't appear to be serviceable, cannot be greased or adjusted and can only be replaced as part of a full column replacement, as it is an intergral part of the assembly.
I wonder how much this looseness contributes to vagueness in the striaght ahead position ? tyre wear ? Although the knocking is not noticeable in normal driving, it is when driving slowly, crawling over rough terrain, kerbs and the like.
Good luck Robbg, I'm very interested to hear if your problem is as I have described.
Solutions please anyone ?
Steve
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Reply By: Member - Sparkie (QLD) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 07:37
Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 07:37
My 92 Jack had loose steering but they tightened a screw at the top of the steering box and reduced it. Not 100% but he had a hard time getting to it and as he needed an extra set of hands and he was alone. Good enough at the moment though.
Sparkie(IE not Y) ;-)
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 10:00
Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 10:00
Yep been through it with a mates jack and
mine, measured all the freeplay at the steering box, spot on in limits. Same spot identified on shaft, it is some type of vibration dampner, and gets a bit of slop in it which i am certain is the cause of most of the 'vague' feel. am going to strip it down one day and find a good solution to it, wether it needs plating to build it up, phenolic packers, or maybe getting the insert re-moulded in a higher density material .
Not dangerous to drive - just annoying.
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Reply By: paul v - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 10:13
Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 10:13
Some of the above symptoms sound remarkably familar..check your welds on the rh front
suspension arm..the steering box is bolted directly behind it..my chassis has snapped at this point..td 3.1 Jack/ trooper
Cheers Paul V
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Reply By: Robbg - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:16
Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:16
Guys, thanks for all the replies. After checking again today, I'm certain the play is in the steering box. I can grab the rubber boot that fits over where the shaft enters the steering box and actually rotate it back and
forth. I can't see any adjuster screw on the box.
Rob.
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Reply By: Savvas - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 22:51
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 22:51
Rob,
Start the engine and let it idle, and with the
wheels in the straight ahead position move the wheel lightly left and right. There should be a max of 30mm freeplay at the steering wheel.
If the freeplay exceeds that, then there is an adjusting screw on the top cover of the steering box with a locknut. Loosen the locknut and turn the adjusting screw until the freeplay is within spec. Then re-tighten the locknut to 41Nm.
That should fix it. However, it's a real pain in the posterior to get to the adjusting screw in the first place.
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Follow Up By: Robbg - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:23
Wednesday, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:23
Thanks to all who responded.
Savvas, the free play is about 30mm whether the engine is idling or stopped. Though I missed it at first I can now see the adjuster screw you and others have mentioned.
Some questions:
1.Is there any danger of overtightening this screw?
, or do I just keep checking the free play
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Follow Up By: Robbg - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:27
Wednesday, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:27
Sorry Savvas - I think I hit the tab key and it posted the followup.
Questions:
1. Is there any danger of overtightening this screw?
2. If I do the adjustment with the wheel centered, will it be ok as the wheel turns either way.
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2004 at 12:02
Wednesday, Dec 01, 2004 at 12:02
1. You will eventually hit a limit on the screw. Tighten it just enough to be within the specs and no more. You should always have a little free play, so don't dial it out completely. Maybe aim for 10mm of freeplay overall.
2. If you do it with the steering wheel centred and the road
wheels straight ahead, you will be ok.
Keep a count of the number of turns you put on the adjusting screw. If you don't like the result, you can always go back to were you started. Also remember to scribe a chalk mark on the screw and steering box as a reference point.
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Follow Up By: Robbg - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2004 at 22:34
Wednesday, Dec 01, 2004 at 22:34
Thanks Savvas, I'll give it a try when I get the chance. At least I now know how to adjust it and what the spec. is. Much appreciated.
Rob.
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Reply By: jackablue - Thursday, Dec 02, 2004 at 11:11
Thursday, Dec 02, 2004 at 11:11
There is a recall on the frontera steering installation. May be something to check with the jack.
www.recalls.gov.au
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Follow Up By: Robbg - Thursday, Dec 02, 2004 at 14:32
Thursday, Dec 02, 2004 at 14:32
Thanks jacka but the recall suggests the frontera problem leads to issues with the uni joint on the steering column. My issue is definitely within the steering box.
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