Air filter options for 3.5 petrol Jack
Submitted: Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 12:52
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Robbg
Just noticed a thread a couple of months ago that mentioned options other than the throw away type filter (Ryco, etc). I got the impression the filters being mentioned were washable foam types. Could anyone confirm this, as
well as suppliers and prices? Thanks.
Rob.
Reply By: Banjo (SA) - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 13:26
Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 13:26
I use Unifilter - they have a site - is actually composed of 3 levels of oiled foam protection - the outer one gets filthy - the middle one a bit dirty - the inner one is clean forever. You need PVC gloves, a couple of litres of turps and a bucket for the cleaning - can be a little messy the first time round - and you need to dispose of the turps of course - I like them, mainly because I'm denying Isuzu (or is it Holden) the opportunity to charge me rip-off filter prices !, Check Unifiter for their distributors..... you can get their really sticky oil at the same time. If you buy two of the outer sleeves (stripper), you can take a spare with you, pre-oiled....saves doing the cleaning while you are away on a trip. Warning - fine droplets of oil can pervade your system - can upset gas sensors in there - might give you a computer reading on the dash..... such as in my 3.0L TD in the 99 Jack. Computer doesn't like it be the car is quite happy !
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Reply By: Savvas - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 15:05
Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 15:05
Hi Rob,
I have a finer filter. This has now been taken over by Unifilter.
It's been in their for around 4 years and I'm quite happy with it. I paid around $60-$70.
The oil doesn't affect the 3.5V6 ecu as it does the 3.0TDi. I recently pulled the mass airflow sensor out and their was no oil affecting it. I still gave it a clean with some electronics spray cleaner (from Jaycar) anyway.
Check www.unifilter.com.au
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Follow Up By: jackablue - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 15:25
Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 15:25
Does the oil attract dust?
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 15:34
Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 15:34
Jacka - sure does mate thats the primary difference between an oiled element and a 'sieve' type paper element. The paper elements will still allow the really fine dust through where as the sticky oil soaked foam catches it and retains it . I am sometimes amazed when i clean
mine as the last layer looks clean but when washed, the fine layer of dust and grit in the container is impressive. I couldn't or wouldn't go back to a paper job, saved about $500 so far and will get about another dozen washes easy $$$ :-))))).
Some people say 'I tried one but didn't like it - it got really dirty, in less time than the paper job' HELLO if the paper one wasn't as dirty - where did all that extra dirt go......hello mr throttle body/valves/rings etc.......
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Reply By: Robbg - Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 20:22
Monday, Dec 06, 2004 at 20:22
Thanks guys. Hmm, there seems to be some uncertainty about how the oil affects the ecu sensor, and whether this upsets the TD or petrol or both. Another person (4WD
shop) I spoke to said avoid the oiled foam filters for precisely this reason.
The unifilter website claims improved airflow and therefore economy/power. Can
any of you confirm this? Price wise - seems about the same as a Ryco from Supercheap (don't know about dealer prices).
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Banjo (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:02
Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:02
You can get a Ryco air filter element from somewhere ? - there was nothing available for my TD - that's the only reason I use the Unifilter ! I will check their catalogue again !
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Follow Up By: Robbg - Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:09
Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:09
Banjo, ryco certainly have the ryco for the 3.5 petrol jack - part number 1270 I think - although not every supercheap has them in stock. Looking at the unifilter website there is clearly a difference between the petrol and td. Perhaps the td filter is even rarer than the petrol one.
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Banjo (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:30
Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:30
They now have an A1504 listed for
mine on the site - will check it out price wise.
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Follow Up By: Banjo (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:36
Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:36
Hell....its close to $63 with trade discount ! Think I'll stay with Unifilter - maybe the Isuzu paper model is cheaper ! (it happens - not everything non-genuine represents a saving I've found). Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 13:19
Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 13:19
IT can be a problem on the 3.0td jack but certainly not on the V6, as i keep telling everyone, the biggest mistake you can make is to over-oil it, easy to do with the really thick filter oils, i prefer the castrol or silkolene..
And if you do get any oil mist onto the AFM hot wire then its only a five second spray away with some contact cleaner, and its good maint regardless.
Hey Holden had to retro fit (under warranty) most of the td rodeos that did dusty work with finer filters, because the paper elements couldn't do the job...
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:42
Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:42
Hey Brad,
You mention Castrol or Silkolene. I've used the Finer Filter fluid, and it's a real bugger of a job to get it through the foam evenly. Even after warming up the fluid to make it more ... fluid!
Is there any particular Castrol product you use? Also, where do you get Silkolene as I haven't seen (noticed) it anywhere.
I think I have the same Finer Filter setup as yours. Main filter and 1 pre filter.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51
Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51
Banjo .... www.sydneyfilters.com.au do the TD air filter for $31.20. However the part number they quote is A1081.
Check it out here. It's under Glenos's reply.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 18:13
Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 18:13
hey Sav, yeah that finer filter fluid is ridiculous , its way too thick, even when heated, Grab the castrol filter oil from most bike / power equiptment shops, silkolene is available from most of the good bike shops, and their filter fluid is available in bulk or aerosol can. Yeah
mine has 1 pre filter and 1 main element.
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Reply By: Utemad - Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 19:49
Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 19:49
Try K&N Filters. I have one on my 2.6L Rodeo petrol and have never had an issue.
Mine cost $100 which is less than 2 paper filters. Plus about $25 for the cleaning kit. I'd never go back to paper ones again. I did actually notice a gain in power when I originally fitted it. I can hold gears longer on hills now etc.
I can't see how one of these would let go of oil which would give problems like stated above. It's not of foam construction like the Unifilter but some sort of surgical mesh from memory.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:45
Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:45
Just a tip for users of Unifilter or Finer Filter.
Don't try using the K&N servicing kit on the foam style filter. The oil is too thin and will run straight into the bottom of the airbox and make its way out onto the driveway through the bolt holes.
The K&N is a different type of filter and the servicing kit is for only for their filters.
I know ... I have done it ... so don't do it.
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Reply By: Robbg - Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 21:24
Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 21:24
Thanks for the replies guys. There are more options out there than I expected.
Are servicing intervals for washable filters (either foam or the one Utie mentioned) the same as for paper?
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 21:36
Tuesday, Dec 07, 2004 at 21:36
Usually just wash & re-oil at every service, if in really dusty operation, then as required, only takes about 10 minutes all up. There is the advantage of having multiple pre-cleaner elements which can be changed without cleaning the whole unit.
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Reply By: Turbos - Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 00:46
Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 00:46
g'day, I have a 2000 TD jackaroo and have put a K&N oiled pod filter on. I have had no problems with oil on the throttle positon sensor, however i have read (on this site previously) about unifilters affecting the TPS. These pod filters are used in high performance turbo cars, however there is some controversy over the intake of hot "underbonnet air". K&N claim better power and fuel economy but lets face it putting a "slightly less restrictive" filter on your car is not going to do that much, especially with a standard exhaust. The filter is loud though and some people might not like the "blow off" noise between gear changes. I have had the filter for 2.5 yrs and considering a standard filter costs $50 or something i reakon I got my money back (K&N cost $150). Anyway your probably best keeping the jack standard!! Cheerio.
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