Tyre repair plugs

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 20:04
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I managed to stake one of the Cooper ATs on the weekend and it has left a hole in the face of the tyre, between the raised tread which is about 10mm in diameter. It looks like a bullet has been shot through the tyre!

My question to those who have experience in the use of those nifty tyre repair kits is; What is the maximum sized hole which can be plugged and how efficient (long term) are the repairs?

TIA
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Reply By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 20:07

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 20:07
Think you will find that the tyre repair kits (I have one) are a temporary measure only to get you mobile and you are supposed to take it to a tyre repairer and have a proper repair done as soon as practicable.

Cheers
Muddy
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Reply By: SteveL - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 20:20

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 20:20
As already mentioned the tyre repair kits are only a temporary measure.I often get
staked tyres in my truck (on building sites) and repair them myself using a "mushroom" patch which has a long stem with a wire attached. The wire is inserted thru the hole (from the inside of the tyre) until the patch is level with the inside of the tyre then the stem is cut off.This gives a permanent fix.There is a lot of gear required to do this,however, (tyre buffs etc) and it would probably be easier to take it to a tyre repairer.-Steve L.
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 21:59

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 21:59
Yep mushroom will do the trick. YOu can get a tyre repair place to do it, or you can treat it as practice for your Canning Stock Route trip (you know the one you haven't discussed witth the wife yet). :-)

Get your self a tyre rasp thingy (technical name), a stitching wheel thingy (another technical name) (4wd shop will have them) some methylated spirits, a clean rag (cotton preferably), a good size tube of vulcanising fluid, and a mushroom plug.

Remove the tyre from the rim using the tools you would use on that previously mentioned CSR trip :-). find the hole, rasp the inside of the tyre around the hole. Do a large enough area for the mushroom to cover, then some. One it is roughed up real good, give the rasped area and the back of the mushroom plug a good wipe with metho and allow to dry.

Now spread one coat of vulcanising fluid on the rasped area and leave to dry for 10 minutes or more until dry. Then spread more vulcanising fluid over the same area, and on the back of the plug and on the shaft ie where it will contact the tyre. Allow to dry until slightly tacky, then place the plug in the hole from inside the tyre ie so the mushroom head is inside the tyre and the stem is sticking out thru the tread. Plane the tRoll the stitching wheel firmly over the mushroom head forcing it into firm contact with the inside of the tyre. Allow to dry. Trim the shaft flush with the tread using a single sided razor or hobby knife.

Then tell the wife how good you are and that the CSR trip will now be a breeze. :-)

Cheers
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Follow Up By: SteveL - Thursday, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:32

Thursday, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:32
Here is some really good info on tyre repair that I have used :
patch rubber co.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 20:53

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 20:53
Hi Guys, I've used the Safety Seal system heaps of times on tyres with less that 20,000km's and left them untill the tyres were worn out at 120,000km. they may not be legal here in NSW but they do NOT come out nor leak. I think the people who import this wonderful system are just covering their collective backsides.... You probably could use 2 safety seal plugs ,side by side and will out last the tyre itself.... Michael.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 22:02

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 22:02
Never mind the rest of the stuff - which tyres will last 120km?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 22:25

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 22:25
Hear hear ........ I'm all ears

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 22:26

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 22:26
I want a set of those, especially on a 4WD. My Camry tyres, silica impregnated ones lasted 85000K and I thought that was bloody excellent.

On the subject of those plugs (waxy string type such as Safety Seal), they are not legal as a permanent repair in a few states as far as I know. That said, I have seen as many as four in a single hole...you just keep pushing them in until the thing stops leaking.

If I need to repair a tyre like this on a trip, I tend to take the wheel off, repair the tyre and then put the spare on, keeping the repaired tyre as my spare.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 23:22

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 23:22
I also have seen 4 in one hole... Can't say the look of it thrilled me but they will get you out of the crap. With regard to the 120,000k statement, I was on an american bike site last night reading an OT post. Blokes talking up the Cooper St on their F trucks with comments like "90,000 miles" thats right MILES, thats 145,000k.

How did you go with the spotties Paul?
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 07:30

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 07:30
Hi all, I have had 4 sets of Bfg 265.x75 16, two sets ot the old style and 2 sets of Ko's, all averaged about 105,000 ks. My last set went to 120,000k's still only just legal. The long life is probably due to mainly to freeway travelling from Moss Vale to Bankstown, six days a week. No braking, no turning, just straight driving.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 07:32

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 07:32
And so much for the new 90,000km guarantee for Cooper tyres.... I believe you have to follow a regular costly maintenance program to keep your guarantee...
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Follow Up By: Bucket - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 09:36

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 09:36
It's just normal maintainance procedure.... most tyre shops recommend balance, rotation and wheel alignment every 10 000kms. This way the alignment is in check (only takes one weekend of playing to throw the alignment) and front end / suspension problems are found early before wear patterns can start in the tyres.
They are offering a warranty on tyres.. you don't have to take the warranty up on them. You'll more than likely get the kms anyway. But if you do take it up, there are always going to be some guidelines. How can they warrant mileage on tyres from a vehicle thats alignment is so far out and scrubbing tyres?
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 11:20

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 11:20
150 000km on a set of Federal Dueller 351 ATs 31.10.5 R15 these tyres are very cheap at only about $130 each fitted in Sydney (jax or quick fit Campbelltown) They were not even totally worn out after the 150 000km but not too far off.

Did two trips to Alice from Sydney-Bris-Boulia-Tobermorney-Coober-Adelaide-then coast all the way back to Sydney. 7 crossings of the Nullabor and many weekends at Stockton Beach, Spicers Gap, Barrington tops, Noosa/Rainbow Beach. They were not just highway tyres, used every day in Sydney traffic (90km round trip) and heaps of offroad.

Even repaired a few punctures, from shale in Longreach, nails and screws etc and these Safety-Seals stayed in the tyres till I dumped them!! I have even repaired a Case W36 loader tyre with them, but due to the thickness had to demount and push the plug through from the inside (over 10cm of rubber).

So as for the plugs, rate them highly and DO consider them a permanent repair and for tyres, geez I rate those Federal Duellers for grip (on and off road) in the wet and for awesome longetivity!!

Matt.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 11:28

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 11:28
Ahh here you go FYI if you are interested.....

http://www.carscene.com.au/newsevents/federal

There is a link to the Federal website there too, buts its

www.federaltyres.com

Enjoy! Matt.
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Reply By: XS Challenger - Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 23:27

Tuesday, Dec 21, 2004 at 23:27
I used to be a tyre fitter in 1990 for a few years and we use to use the tyre plugs all the time. I have never seen them cause a tyre failure. You can put two of the into a slightly larger hole just use plenty of the glue. Also if you need to use more than one I would only do it as a temporary repair and would get it checked out properly at a later date.
Anyhow that is my opinion only.
I would not hesitate to use them.
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Follow Up By: theshadows - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 07:12

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 07:12
These are so succesful I use them instead of carring the spare tyre.
A compressor and a repair kit take up a lot less room then a tyre, jack and tools.
Its a damn sight quicker and a lot les messy as well.

shadow
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Reply By: Member Eric - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 08:16

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 08:16
Wombat, there what the workshops use mate , so dont worrie , make you you tri[ off the exess that is hanginh of the tyre . The most important part is to make sure you twist , before you pull

cheers
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Follow Up By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 08:39

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 08:39
"The most important part is to make sure you twist , before you pull"

there's a line there Eric - but I'm not touching it :)

Lyn
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Reply By: Wombat - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 10:46

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 10:46
Thanks everyone, especially David O for the great step by step instructions. That's why I love this place!

I hope everyone has the best Christmas possible and I hope you all take just one moment out of your busy day to spare a thought for those who may be a little less fortunate than you.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 16:17

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 16:17
Pop into beaurepaires in cambellfield near carrols springs (they supplied my MTR's for the jack) they have the proper radial reinforced patches for inside the tyre, get them to fix it and grab a few for personal use as well.
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 16:21

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 16:21
Thanks Brad - I just might do that tomorrow morning.
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 22:22

Friday, Dec 24, 2004 at 22:22
wombat,

happy to oblige, I have learned heaps from this forum and others. When I had to do my first mushroom plug repair, I had heaps of advice from a tyre sales rep, who not only gave me all the advice I just gave you, but supplied me with all the bits, including the metho. 5000k from home in , I did my first repair, and felt so confident after his help. The tyre is still in use.

Dave O
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Reply By: Willykj - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 20:27

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 20:27
I have had one of the Safety Seal kits for sometime. On a trip to WA I used them 3 times with holes in Cooper AT's - great - easy to use & very effective.

One time I had to use 3 in one hole to get a full seal - it was one the rear of a 4WD towing a caravan - got home to NSW with no problem & lasted until I upgraded tyres to ST's. I was not aware at the time that it was illegal!!

Willy
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Reply By: pjd - Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 21:00

Wednesday, Dec 22, 2004 at 21:00
they are legal when fitted properly & will outlast your tyres
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