Remote area breakdown/recovery ?

Submitted: Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 16:15
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I'd always assumed that in the event of a breakdown in a remote area that you are on your own. The RACV , RACQ etc can't do much for you out there, especially as their towing services are limited even on bitumen.
I've emailed world assist but they didn't seem to want to know me. Can anyone recommend a service that provides assistance both financial and physical in the unlikely event of a breakdown or accident in remote areas . I'm thinking some form of insurance for an upcoming trip later this year.
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 16:37

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 16:37
If you have not done so already join up with the HF Radio mob VKS737. They will probably be able to assist you by contacting others in the area should you have the misfortune to break down somewhere remote. $77.00 per year to join as a member. Cheap insurance.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 17:26

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 17:26
World Assist are now known as Mondial and no longer offer remote area assist to new clients.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 20:46

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 20:46
Hi Ray
Any idea why have Mondial taken this line ?
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 21:59

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 21:59
No idea John. All they offer now is roadside assistance along the lines of the motoring clubs.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 13:24

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 13:24
No wonder they didn't give me the courtesy of a reply to my email. Speaks volumes about their customer service.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 21:24

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 21:24
IT would purely be $$$$

4x recoveries @ $3000 each, when they have only charged you $100 a year membership, aint good management!
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 22:00

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 22:00
Yeah, if they were making squillions you wouldn't think they'd knock it on the head. Must be losing loot or very little return for the effort.

Pakis 5/85....hehe

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 29, 2004 at 09:45

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2004 at 09:45
Pakis 5/85...
Do you notice how ALL the chithouse umpiring decisions go AGAINST every country playing against Aussie?
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Wednesday, Dec 29, 2004 at 18:04

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2004 at 18:04
If that's the case I don't have a problem with it.

Even the umps are shaking in their boots :)

Well all over, nuthin on tele today...boo hooo
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Reply By: kesh - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 17:29

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 17:29
For accident in remote area a satphone with RFDS no.s programmed in is a good option. For breakdowns that you cant fix (this is where the tools/spares/nous inventory proves handy) a "sit down and wait" policy is often the go.If things dont look that good , a big cloud of black smoke can be seen for miles and will usually arouse someones curiosity (I dont mean burn the vehicle though!) But the satphone can come in handy again there too!
We often listen (only) to VKs737 they have an excellent network, but the transceivers are not infallible.
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Reply By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 18:07

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 18:07
An EPIRB may be one way to go... I would only activate it in an emergency and if you were off the beaten track with no alternative ie someone wasnt going to come your way..
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 18:34

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 18:34
An EPIRB should only be used when there is an immediate threat to life, not a vehicle breakdown.
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Follow Up By: Wetty (W.A) - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 19:47

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 19:47
I would have thought that a breakdown in the middle of the desert would be life threatning. . . . .
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 19:51

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 19:51
Not exactly - it's the word "immediate" which troubles me.

Certainly an EPIRB should not be triggered for a vehicle breakdown if that breakdown simply means you have to wait a couple of days on the side of a remote road and it's a bit hot and you don't like it and don't want to be there and you've run out of cigarettes but you have plenty of water and enough food - that's just too bad, give up remote area travel then.

On the other hand: If you have, say, three days of water and it's quite possible there will be no traffic on this road for 2 or 3 (or more) days then you should probably trigger the EPIRB after 12 or 24 hours - next time take more water or learn how to get it in the desert.

Search and Rescue always say the prefer to find live people rather than dead ones. And IIRC a VHF EPIRB can take up to 24 hours to be located.

http://www.amsa.gov.au/Search_and_Rescue/

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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 21:17

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 21:17
Sorry, I should of elaborated more as per Mikes' reply.
The problem is that there are lots of 'false alarms' with EPIRB's and the cost of the S & R efforts have to come from somewhere.
People 'should' take all responsibility for their own well being, if that means that some go into remote areas poorly equipped and under prepared and then expect others to come to their rescue due to vehicle breakdown or as a result of the lack of preparation then I feel that it is an imposition on the rest of the community.
We've always subscribed to the idea that the vehicle should be in the best possible condition, suitable for the trip and we should be able to repair it enough to keep going rather than rely on others. We carry an HF and are VKS members, we've also carted a EPIRB for many years, it has just started its 3rd battery and we made sure that the kids knew how to use it and the HF in case of accident.

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Reply By: Banjo (SA) - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 19:54

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 19:54
As Willem said Footloose, we at VKS737 will provide communications assistance to ANYONE who is in difficulty (not just members) - we are obliged of course to draw the line on expending members' funds (long distance phone calls) to assist non-members IF the problem is simply "inconvenience" as opposed to genuine diffculty. Members can of course expect expect our full attention for all manner of circumstances. Re your main point of the post, in my view, it goes like this:
1. If you break down in a remote spot (one that is not on a regularly graded road, you will probably wear some, or all of the cost of getting out......but.......
2. As a member, you could call VKS737 and we will try your roadside service people for an answer.... we can advise you on their offer.
3. Regardless of what the roadside assist people are prepared to do, we can arrange for one of the outback recovery service providers to quote on a rescue (they might well go into the difficult places, but it costs of course).
Overall, if travelling with others in even a small convoy, self recovery is much more likely. Travelling solo, it pays to be prepared for the high cost of paying someone per K, for many K's !
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 21:37

Monday, Dec 27, 2004 at 21:37
Footy,

Coming from western Qld, in remote area, my thoughts are this. Most outback towns now seem to have a tilt-tray truck, or trailer, and will no doubt recover you, for a price!!! There are also the specialist recovery firms, think one in Alice is Outback Recovery(advert on Imparja TV).

Also coming from station background, I'd be surprised if most, if not all, station managers would do something to help you, unless you proved to be a Richard Cranium, or had been totally unprepared, as suggested by Peter above. Even the use of welder, couple of spare tyres, a tube or a few litres of water, might be all you'll need.

Being accompanied by the Missus and Kids would almost guarantee some assistance from anyone, but if you've been ill-prepared, then be ready for an earful.

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Reply By: Footloose - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 13:36

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 13:36
Thanks guys. I should of mentioned that I'm an experienced solo bush traveller that has been lucky enough to never require assistance. So far ! Despite having Hf for longer than 737 has existed :) I'm a member. And I carry an epirb, recovery and tyre gear etc and enough food and water to be able to wait it out.

I might also add that I'm a bush traveller rather than a bush terrorist. If passing close to a remote property I've been known to ring ahead and ask if they would like me to carry anything from town for them, a guesture that could be repeated by others to counteract the 4wd terrorists that give us all a such bad name.

The idea of having to pay thousands of dollars for a truck to come and get me doesn't turn me on, although it's always a possibility. It's a very big country and I'd be looking at a lot of money.
I thought there might be more options around than world assist. Apparently not. Anyway many thanks to those who took the effort to contribute.
Cheers
Jim
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 14:54

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 14:54
>I might also add that I'm a bush traveller rather than a bush
>terrorist. If passing close to a remote property I've been known
>to ring ahead and ask if they would like me to carry anything
>from town for them

What a damn good idea - and, to my shame, one which had never occurred to me. I shall do exactly that in future. Thanks for the idea.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 21:48

Tuesday, Dec 28, 2004 at 21:48
Would be interested to hear where you are planning to go. If you do not wish to advertise it via the forum then you can email me through my website as listed below. Thanks
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Follow Up By: bundyman - Wednesday, Dec 29, 2004 at 10:46

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2004 at 10:46
Jim,

Your dead right about calling up to see if they need anything brought in. Even if they say no (because they're being polite) I'll ALWAYS take milk and bread to drop off. Good to see there are some other good travellers out there. Most of the cockys are only to happy to have a yarn anyway - they often haven't spoken to outsiders for weeks at a time. Good on ya Jim and hope you have a good trip mate.

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