Noise from Front Wheels on an 88 Pajero

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:04
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Morning all. Just a quick query.

I have just bought a 1988 TD Pajero (NF, I think, with the rear leaf suspension) with 47000km's on the clock (yes thats right, 47000km's!). It is an import, but it looks absolutely immaculate underneath (looks like a new car), the engine runs lovely, and the interior is top notch, so the km's look pretty much right.

Anyway, when the steering is fully locked to either right or left, there is a screaching sound, like suspension being worked out. One time I also smelt a bit of a rubbery smell. Anyone have any ideas? It is only on full lock, so I am suspecting rubbing tyres would be the rubbery smell. They look slightlt larger than normal.

thanks in advance

Chump
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:20

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:20
Hi chump
If the tyres are rubbing there should be some witness marks either on the suspension arms or the inner gaurds.
It may also be a loose power steering pump drive belt
hope this is of help
Ray

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Follow Up By: tcp_ip_boy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:40

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:40
I can't see any evidence, but the tyres could be fairly recent additions.

The sound is not like a loose belt - sounds too mechanical.

Thanks for your input
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Reply By: RobV - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:27

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:27
just check the steering stoop lugs are lubed with a bit of grease, i think these have them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:21

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:21
Yup, that'd be my guess too, my Surf had the same problem, sounded terrible, especially if going down a kerb or somthing. Grease fixed it no worries.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:42

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:42
47000km's on the clock (yes thats right, 47000km's!). It is an import..
well since its an import, I wouldnt believe them klms... specially for the age.

Anyway onto the noise.

Have you taken it back to where you bought it? What did they say?

Is it at any speed it makes the sound? EG could it be oversteer the tires are actually sliding?

Turn it to full lock, jump under and have a look to see if its hitting, or really close to hitting - the extra stress of it when driving may push it that little bit closer to hit on something.

You may have worn bushes, allowing the tire to turn that little bit more when on full lock.. eg flexing on the worn bush, and hitting on something inside the wheel arch.

As the other bloke said, try the steering stops, maybe wind them out 1cm to see if that stops it.

What size tires are they? On what sized rims?
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Follow Up By: tcp_ip_boy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:56

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:56
The 47000km's seem genuine - the car is in such good condition.

Anyway, it happens whenever they are on full lock, and the car is moving. So no understeer or anything.

And the car yard has sold the car, and moved on. They pointed me towards the warranty company....

I'll pop under tonight and have a bit of a look-see. The bushes could be worn, as I would say they are still the originals. I am planning a suspension lift in the near future anyway, so they will all get done then. It could happen sooner rather than later.

As to the tyres, BFG's, 215's, a little bit taller than normal (sorry, it was dark when I was looking last night....). Rims look to be about 7" wide.

I was hoping for someone to come on with a definite answer that started something like "gee, the 88 Pajero had this weird problemwith the steering....."
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:57

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:57
Also a basic one - what pressures in the tires? What tires are they? Could be Willems Kellys, they screech going round corners!
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Follow Up By: tcp_ip_boy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:04

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:04
Tyres are 35psi all round. Checked that about 2 minutes after leaving the shop.

The noise happens on our gravel driveway. I can see where you are going with this, but I think not in this case.

I'll have a bit of a look tonight. One of the reasons I went for an older unit like this was hopefully problems would be easy to find than in my Defender.

I am just being lazy, and hoping someone would have a definitive answer.
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Follow Up By: flappan - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:20

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:20
At first I would have said Power Steering, but you say it isn't.

My 90 NG runs 235/75/R15 tyres , and they "just" run on the inner rubber guards on full turn. They are on 6.5 inch wheels (the standard Chrome Wheels).

It could be that you're tyres are rubbing slightly , possibly by a combination of things. Play in the steering , bushes , stops not adjusted correctly , those sorts of things.

47000 in 16 years. approx 3000 k's per year on an old Turbo diesel ???

Hmmm . . .
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:22

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:22
The dealership have what?
How long have you had it?

I would take it to a very reputable 4wd place and have a complete service, grease job done on it.

They will report any issues.

Where do u live? If in Melb, I can recommend a couple of places..
Alan at Outback accessories in Seaford would be my first stop.
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Follow Up By: tcp_ip_boy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:56

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:56
I picked up the car yesterday. It came with a full engineers report (on engin emissions, drive train, etc.. for the importation) and a blue slip for rego, which is pretty thorough.

I'm in Sydney. I live down the road from Old Man Emu, who do 4WD servicing.

If you can suggest anyone else, I am all ears.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:24

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:24
You picked it up yesterday, and theres not a 1 day warranty?
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Reply By: fatz - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:56

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:56
Power steering belt loose? would explain screehing and burning rubber.
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Follow Up By: tcp_ip_boy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:58

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:58
No. It is too mechanical. It is like the noise your suspension makes when you are bouncing over rocks or something, and there is no grease in the joints.

Kinda a creaking sound, I spose.
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Reply By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:34

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:34
Hi tcp_ip_boy
What about Bushes in the back leaf springs or the leaf springs for that matter, they creak??? Or the front tryes are scrubbing.
Good luck
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Reply By: Bench - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:51

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:51
Sounds a bit weird... might be wheel bearings. Give the wheel a bit of a shake & if there's any movement your wheel bearings might be shagged.

Cheers,
Bench
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Reply By: Member - Camper (SA) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:13

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:13
When we wind our Challa onto full lock there is a noise which sounds a bit like you describe. Apparently it is the power steering blow-off valve. When the power steering mechanism, which is of course driven by oil under pressure, reaches its full movement the excess pressurised oil is vented back to the reservoir.
Camper
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:27

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:27
Quote often on the steering stops the little rubbers wear or fall off allowing two bits of metal to contact at full lock at make yucky noises.

There will be two stops per side, just dip you figure in grease and smear it all over the four stops, problem will be solved.
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Reply By: ianmc - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 19:46

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 19:46
I believe RobV & Jeff are quite right although other comments are valid but unlikely. My Triton similar underneath shreiks at me when on full lock & wishbone rises over a bump making the bare metal stop scrape on the chassis stop. There should be arubber stop on them but some grease will stop it for a while.
So long as gear box is good in 5th gear it should give you lots of economical
& troublefree motoring. Maybe a change of belts, particularly the timing & balance shaft ones could be advisable before long as they have sat on those cogs for a long time.
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Reply By: Mick - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 20:27

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 20:27
tcp I had an 88 Pajero many many years ago and it did exactly what you describe. It was very bad doing a 3 point turn which included a gutter on full lock. It didn't cause any trouble - I did 330,000km and I saw the vehicle recently and it's now up to 480,000km. Having read the responses I think that the people who suggested metal stops rubbing on the chassis or whatever they contact are right on the money and I wish I'd thought of that in 1989!! It was a good vehicle in its day. I hope you're not impatient on highways though as it starts to lose speed at the first sight of a hill!! Happy travelling!
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