New Prado tyre wear ?

Submitted: Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:30
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My sister in law along with two other close friends all purchased new shape Prados in the last year to year and a half and they are all having the same problem.

Front tyre wear is horrible !!! .. They have all done 10-14,000km and have all scrubbed out inside front left tyres. They are otherwise very happy with the vehicles.

Toyota have said that it is normal for this type of car with the amount of body roll they have and maybe wrong pressure in tyres etc. Problem is if you replace the tyres the same thing will happen. I have heard Cooper are a good tyre for 4wd's . Is this so ?

Anybody else having this trouble with the Prado ?
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:38

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:38
But you know everything about yotas.. Look in your Myriad of bookmarks, surely some american site will have everything you need to know

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:50

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:50
settle yous 2 or I will bang your heads together
now seeing as its a half decent post I will try to give a half decent answer. Forget toyota that response is a cop out although wear like that can sometimes be atributed to the overuse of power steering
forget changing tyres a bad wheel alighnment will just wear out more expensive tyres fix the problem first.
So now my advice If you live in a city it should be easy to find specialist front end alighners/repairers and preferably one that specialises in 4bys
notice I said specialist that does not include bob jane etc mystery problems like that can become more frustrating if you take it to the wrong people and get wrong advice
for example I had a skyline with brake shudder and took it to 3 different brake merchants midas etc who told me they were fine before I took it to Kent Brake and clutch (brake specialists) who quickly identified the problem as warped discs machined them used a special type of brake pad problem solved
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross P (NSW) - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:50

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:50
"Body roll"
Naaah! not in Toyota Prado!
Drive it like a truck not a car.
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Reply By: DrewT - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:42

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:42
I have a Prado 120 and replaced the tyres at approx 20k and they were wearing badly (but not particularly at the front or even the inside front left that i can recall). Replaced with Cooper ATs and after about 10k can't detect any wear at all yet!
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Reply By: Member - T-bone (ACT) - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:42

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:42
Can't help you with the question about Coopers, but posts 17240, 16672 & 1715 indicate that Prado tyre wear is a long-standing issue....

T-Bone.
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Reply By: Gossy - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 17:12

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 17:12
Coopers have a very deep tread (deeper than any other brand I believe) so at least the tyre will last longer before replacing.
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 17:25

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 17:25
Aaahhhh the 5%.....hahahahaha

Maybe just incorrect tyre pressures or constant braking with downward pressures on front tyres(last bit a wild stab in the dark)
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Reply By: Johnno1 - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:06

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:06
Thanks guys that is all very helpful !!!!

I will send my sister in law to a front end specialist and then have her fit Coopers and all should be good.

Very bloody annoying for her though.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 20:11

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 20:11
"I will send my sister in law to a front end specialist"
careful!

and "and then have her fit Coopers and all should be good"...where she gunna fit a coopers ale eh?...i'd be doubly careful now
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Reply By: Nudenut - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:18

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:18
when the 80 series first came out, they had a similar problem with outside front tyre wear....usually only one side but could be both...

I got a new set of tyres at 26K on a pro-rata basis. Others were being scrubbed at 10 -15K...I was one of the lucky ones.

Never did find out the true explanation but I hearsay said it was the tyre manufacturer and pressure.....

They were bitumen tyres.....?the crapy old dunlops.

The new replacement were a bit better giving some 45K. I then switched to bridgestone, did around 40K and when i sold the old tart i reckon they had at least another 30-40k on them.
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:34

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:34
Yes the factory fitted rubber is hardly long wearing.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 20:06

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 20:06
what were they..........Grand Shiet?
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Reply By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:34

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:34
22,000 kays on the 120 prado now. Cooper A/Ts went on on day 2. I have a 5 wheel rotation done every 5,000 kays (tyre place does it for free in the hope that I will buy the next set there, which I will).

So far wearing beautifully. have lost about 3mm of 11mm original tread. Even wear all round. Expect 50 to 60k from them easy.

Look after the tyres and they will look after you!

Cheers
Muddy
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:35

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:35
Great advice mate..

Will pass it on now...
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 21:08

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 21:08
theyre not much chop in sand tho...are they Muddy?
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Sunday, Jan 09, 2005 at 22:42

Sunday, Jan 09, 2005 at 22:42
Handled the sand OK at Robe. I did not get stuck at all. No complaints.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:45

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:45
yes, I noticed it had to get off the track to take a look at one of the hills at Robe, that angle was obtuse!
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:17

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:17
Hah,

I was talking about the beach work - the "spot of bother" in the dunes behind the beach was more driver error and a bit much enthusiasm! Not too much blame on the tyres there.

Yes the angle was pretty obtuse. 3 blokes on the sidestep to prevent a rollover usually means things have reach a pretty serious stage. Potential for an unscheduled vertical tyre rotation!

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Reply By: lc_120man - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 21:41

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 21:41
I still got grandteks with 12K and the tires are fine. There
are typically to problems related to tire wear in 120's:
1. luck of wheel alignment from the dealer/factory.
2. low recommended tire pressure by toyota. They recomend 26-28psi - this
will cause tire wear. Most people run around 34-38psi. I run 36 front and
38 rear. Also please check landcruisers owners online - www.lcool.org and
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/120scool/ for anything telated to 120 series
Prados

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Reply By: greghud - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 23:53

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 23:53
its all them bl00dy roundabouts!!!!
get rid of the tyres they are not good quality had 2 blow on a strech of hwy @ 12000 on my brothers prado drove to next tyre shop and replaced the lot.
but the coopers will need some tyre presure as i have a set on the lux, dealer recomended 36 psi and after 5000 the first set of step blocks were nearly gone!!!! uped them to 44 psi and after 15000 have not worn as much as the first 5000!!! i was prity p..sed after the first 5000 but there fine now still think i will go the bfgs next time
hope that helps
greg
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 07:09

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 07:09
you seriously recommend 44 psi ?
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Follow Up By: greghud - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 21:25

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 21:25
works 4 me but the tyres i fitted are LT, light truck i bleve that these need higher presure, also i am in darwin so high road temps are a BIG factor. i do need to be careful to reduce this when going off road so they dont stake but i carry a pump in the car always. its been all well so far and wearing evenly. i spose that its just a factor to consider no matter where u live. the tyres have a recomended presure for 'southern' conditions and for a comfortable quiet ride, not for life span or fuel economy, the comment bout the rounabouts isnt unfounded as i am always hearing people whinge bout front left tyre wear since THAY put roundabouts in, and thats in lots of 4bys older solid front axels included.
as you turn to the right u are usuly on the gas accelerating thru the roundabout, do that a thousand times and bye bye front left.
as advised keep rotating regularly and watch the presure and yule b rite.
all the best, greg
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:10

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:10
I had a friend with a 89 GQ (maverick) with BFG Radial Trac Edge tyres, used to run 50psi in them all the time. He got 90000 out of them and sold the car with them on and...it got a roadworthy. I got 50000 km out of a set, and sold them with half the meat left on them, I used to run 38 in mine tho
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Reply By: Member - Jim - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 06:58

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 06:58
Johnno!

Apart from the originally fitted tyres being soft and apt to wear quickly I think you will find it is the type of driving that the truck is being used for.

If the lady of the house is using the truck for general running around it would be doing all those things like taking the kids to school, doing U turns, shopping etc. where the left front (on full lock) is being scrubbed as the car pushes the wheel a bit sideways each time.

If the vehicle was doing straight running like on a trip the tyre wear would be OK.

You just got to keep rotating the tyres, whatever type they are.

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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 07:10

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 07:10
thanks mate.

How often would you rotate them and would you fit Cooper a/t's ?

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 21:09

Saturday, Jan 08, 2005 at 21:09
I rotate every 5000, or when I change to MT's. And yes I would fit the Coopers
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