Bashing the Hilux and dumping the cruiser

Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 21:41
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The SWMBO said I have to sell the V8 Cruiser!
I am looking to buy an almost new 3L TD Hilux Dual Cab to replace it.
I have read the good and bad forum posts.

Has anyone got anything else NEGATIVE to say about the Hilux? (please)

Cheers!
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Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 21:56

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 21:56
I hope you've got a good supply of bamboo slivers for under your nails.

You'll be forever dirty with yourself ........... poor bugger.

My sympathies old son

Felicitations
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Reply By: Toyota Sucks - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 21:56

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 21:56
Keep the v8, get another missus.
Hope this helps
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 22:05

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 22:05
Interesting response.

I gave it a long, hard, amount of consideration.

Totalled around 5 seconds.

I agree. Keep the V8.

Fling the wife. LOL.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Karl - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 16:25

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 16:25
I agree too - keep the car, get rid of the wife. At least the car will apreciate all of the love and care you put into it by giving you years of reliable service.

If you have to sell go a turbo diesel - I am sure Johno 01 would agree(but then he drives Pirus) LOL
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Follow Up By: Member- Peter & Mrs Peter, Lez - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 19:38

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 19:38
EXACTLY, Get rid of SWMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply By: brenn dog - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 22:23

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 22:23
ozman, dump the petrol guzzling v8 and be welcomed to the economical 3ltd .great little engine that. might have to get some reset rear springs for it but or your butt might get abit sore. And you still gett to keep the cheese & kisses.thanks
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Reply By: rolande- Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 22:26

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 22:26
Ozman,
After the 'cruiser the hilux will feel very small, very uncomfortable and the nagging SWMBO will give you will make her regret the decision
Rolande
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Reply By: Member - muzzgit - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 22:28

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 22:28
Hi Ozman. I looked at several TD dual cabs about 18 months ago and came to some conclusions of my own, whether they help you or not is up to you.

Firstly, if you own one of these vehicles, and you dissagree with what I say or if I offend you, I'm sorry. Not intentional.

I didn't like the fact that you can't get a Hilux anymore with a rigid front axle, only IFS. That was the biggest dissapointment, but also the rear suspension is really choppy when empty. Yes this can be fixed with some added weight or after market springs but i didn't have the budget to do the latter. At the time, I owned an FJ62, and it felt like the salesman was sitting on top of me when I went for a test drive, the seats are obviously a lot closer together. Also, compared to the cruiser, you can't sleep in the bugger, there's no room for a second battery and compressor under the bonnet, and very little storage space for odds & sods in the cab.

Took a 3.0 T/D Rodeo for a spin, it wouldn't go through a little track I found in 4WD, without giving it heaps, had to have 3 goes at it. It looked easy so I went back the next day in the cruiser and walked it thru in 2WD (cruiser only had open diffs!) I put this down to the IFS.

Didn't bother with the Triton cos of that wheasey little 2.8 with a hair dryer on the side, and I read in 4WD monthly that the turning circle is as big as the titanic! If they put the same motor as in the pajero, it would've been the first one I looked at.

Test drove a Navara, heaps of power, looks good, still got IFS though! and doesn't come with auto box, HMMPFH.

Settled on a wagon. We sleep in the back, heaps of room under the bonnet, heaps of storage for bits n' bobs, tows good and its got a live diff in the front, YAY.

I take it your a Toyota man so you won't like it when I say I gat a GU Patrol, but hey, that's my 2 cents worth.

The reason I like live axles is you can fit better springs and shocks easier, they will take a bashing, have lots more wheel travel and don't bounce around off road to the point that your'e almost being sea sick! ( I used to won a Navara with IFS, and this always happened to me when offroad).

Cheers,

Muzz
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 16:17

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 16:17
Not trying to be too picky here, however I have a 1kz-te motor in the Surf. Same sized front end and motor as the Hilux. I have a Blue Tounge Compressor and 2 x NZZ70 batteries, and auxilery fuse box 5 air horns and piping to my air tank and horns and front air nozzle. It's starting to get crammed now but I don't understand your comments about about room under the bonnet.

Also... IFS stopping you from going through a small sand track. Even crap IFS is better suited to sand than rigid axel as both wheels have travel at the same time, and what makes me wonder even more about that satment is the fact that your old 4by went through in 2wd. If that's the case why would traction in the front of the other 4by make any difference!?!? How would IFS be effecting the traction of the rear wheels???
I would say it must have been more to do with tyre pressures or tread patterns than anything else.
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 00:31

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 00:31
No personal experience just the drunken words of a mechanic mate... He reckons if all his customers left him exept for the hilux owners, he'd turn a profit just from rebuilding the gearboxes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Smocky (NSW) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 00:57

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 00:57
Yep, I have a cousin who is a mechanic and told me the same thing. I was looking at Rodeo, Hilux and Navara. Was told to keep clear of the Hilux because the gearboxes and diffs were VERY breakable.

I chose a Rodeo due to size inside, not as rough a ride, creature comforts (was by far the most 'car like'), safety feautres and security features. Ended up with an LT 4x4 Petrol Auto.

Anyway, good luck. The Rodeo is my first 4x so I have nothing to compare to, and despite the fact that I like it, by brother had a drive and his first coment was "gee it's pretty bumpy isn't it".

Don't forget to tell SWMBO that the crew cab's are still built to be a tradey's ute, just that the Rodeo LT, Navara ST-R and Hilux SR5 look nice and have SOME car like features. Don't expect too much though.

Cheers,

Smocky.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 06:32

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 06:32
That is BS boys , clearly the words of a jealous non Toyota owner.

Wait for the new Hilux in March . Common rail diesel and looks a beaut.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 06:37

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 06:37
My mate is the Fleet Manager for Neumanns Contractors on the Gold Coast who turn over 20-30 hilux's a year . They do all their own servicing on them and fit the trays etc themselves. They get a tough life (real tough as a matter of fact ) and they trade them with 120-130,000k on them.

No gearbox troubles and no diff troubles ? . Maybe these are earlier Hilux's or something but Paul says the things are the toughest units they have on their fleet.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 10:13

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 10:13
Hey Lucky vic you sound VERY familure have we met before??
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Follow Up By: Shaun - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 10:40

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 10:40
Geez, youve got me concerned - I have a 99 d/c petrol that I have owned since new and have had no probs yet - what is the gearbox/diff probs? I have heard the front CV's can be a bit weak if really given a hard time. What do I need to look out for?

Thanks

Shaun
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 13:31

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 13:31
Given there are 5 times as many Landcruisers sold as Patrols there should be roughly 5 times the problems out there.

There are not !

The stories they refer to are rare cases where owners have modified the vehicles away from factory spec .

You have nothing to worry about.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 13:38

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 13:38
Landcruisers and Patrols ??......This discussion is about the Hilux
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 14:30

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 14:30
Lucky, the guy asked for NEGATIVE reports... just reported what I'd been told. Not jealous just couldn't fit in one when I was looking, NO headroom. And they wouldn't offer a discount for the lease. I bought the triton because they took $10k off the price as a fleet discount.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 16:23

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 16:23
They took 10K off because they are as they say in the trade " Sale Proof " !

Good luck at the other end.

LOL !
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Follow Up By: Toyota Sucks - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 17:23

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 17:23
Sorry, meant to say they took 10k off because they are soo good
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 17:30

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 17:30
Sale Proof??? At the end of the lease I will have saved a huge amount of income tax and will only owe $7k. If I can't palm it off at a profit I'll eat my muddies.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 06:55

Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 06:55
Sorry to tell you this but nobody wants Tritons .As new they are sale proof. 7% of the market.

http://www.utes.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=70&Itemid=90
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Reply By: Graham - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 13:00

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 13:00
Ozman,
I've owned 4 hilux's over the years. the only time they have cost me money is when I have had to put fuel in them. Good no nonsense truck.
Cheers
Graham
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 13:35

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 13:35
And that is what 99% of all owners report !>

ITS A FACT !!!
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 06:56

Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 06:56
did not thnk their would be any follow up's to this.

Graham knows the facts.
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 16:25

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 16:25
The Hilux is deffinatally not a luxury machine, however they really would have to be the most reliable IMHO and I'm trying not to be biased. Just out of interest my mum and partner are looking at buying a 4wd. They had some magazine that had comparisons on HEAPS of second hand 4bies, including Jackeroo, Rodeoa, 80 series, 100 series, GU, GQ Daihatsu's, Land rovers, Zooks the whole lot. I'm not one who likes alot of these mags but it did seem pretty down to earth.
I noticed the only 2x 4WDS that didn't have ANYTHING in the "common poblems" list was the Zook and the Hilux. I don't actually 100% agree with that because I feel every car (inculuding the lux) has a common problem here or there, but it's still a good sign eh?

The rodeo is probally very nice, but personally I don't much like the look of them.
Navaras look totally awsome (the new ones) however I don't much like the Nissan 3.0TD motor.
Mitsubishi, my family would proablly dis own me if I bought a mitsy! :-) LOL
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Reply By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 18:17

Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 at 18:17
I have a 3 ltr TD Hilux..2 year old and 90000km..It has never broken down and hasnt had a dime spent on it apart from servicing every 10000km.

Having said that my Troopy went 279000 before I had to do anything apart from regular servicing.

The Hilux is fine.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 06:58

Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 06:58
Another happy customer.

TOYOTA QUALITY !!
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Reply By: Member - muzzgit - Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 01:28

Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 01:28
//// IFS IS BETTER SUITED TO SAND ////

flat sand maybe, but when REAL axle articulation is what you need, an IFS front end on any jap forby won't come near that of a live axle on a cruiser or patrol.
I recon the cruiser went through in 2wd so easily is because of wheel articulation, wheel travel, flexibility etc.

When I owned a navara (IFS) I had many instances when I had to go gangbusta's to get through stuff, when my mate in his FJ60 just walked through. Not beaches, up rough tracks 'n stuff. ( and no, he didn't have big suspension or big tyres or LSD or a diff lock). I thought being lighter and having more grunt would be a help to me but no, wheel articulation, or lack of it, got me every time.

I had an LSD in the rear, a transplanted 3.0 V6 in the bugger, and tyres slightly bigger than he had on his cruiser, yet many times, he just walked through no wuckers. After getting rid of the Navara (too many gearbox problems cos of the V6) and getting an FJ45 with, wait for it!, a live front end, no longer could my mate skamper up a track and leave me behind. Maybe that's what he wanted, I must ask him. te he

P.S. I never said anything about Hilux being unreliable or having major problems.
If they were as crap as many here have said, the mining industry here in W.A. wouldn't still be using them. AND THATS A FACT.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 06:59

Friday, Jan 14, 2005 at 06:59
Q.

P.S. I never said anything about Hilux being unreliable or having major problems.
If they were as crap as many here have said, the mining industry here in W.A. wouldn't still be using them. AND THATS A FACT.

Amen !!!

Q.

Experience is something you get
5 minutes after you needed it !

Love that saying.
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