12,000 THOUSAND dallars damage at 30 KPH

Submitted: Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:04
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HI all i just got hold of this months 4WD MONTHLY mag and it looks like the owner of that 100 series that we all heard about that came unstuck on the TALAWANA TRACK near the CSR with he,s front wheel on a very wired angle ,laying flat on the ground under the body,he has a little story in it to go along with the picture on page 15 , the cause of this happing he write,s It seeems the shocker snapped at the bottom eye [poor weld by the looks of it ] which in turn there was nothing limiting the downward travel of the suspension GREAT DESIGN ,how about a lower bump stop RESULT the ball joints ripped out of the upper and lower control arms along with the steering ,swaybar and ABS wiring total cost for extraction and repairs a tad over 12,000 thousand that not in cluding accomadation THATS one expensive trip i dont think he,ll be heading north in a hurry POOR FELLA cheer,s GREENDOG
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:12

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:12
Yeh Peter,
Just another "proud" owner of a 100 series who is now running the numbers on how much better off he'd have been if he'd bought a Patrol!!! LOLOLOL
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:19

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:19
I am going to get the ARB kit fitted soon - should decrease my chance of a break down in the Kimberley - yep - should have a Patrol, an Ultimate, short hair, a net, two boys just like you...
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Follow Up By: peter in sa - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:20

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:20
YA thanks roachie i reckon he would of been running the number,s all the way home that one unhappy camper He,s actually from west beach in adelaide cheer,s GREENDOG
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Follow Up By: peter in sa - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:25

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:25
ANDREW u should have a sneak at the pic mate NOT GOOD and he thought he had a flat and did u mention short hair i thought ROACHIE was BOLD ha ha cheer,s GREENDOG
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:31

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:31
Saw the pic already - have booked in for the ARB kit though I gather that it is a theoretical improvement rather than a tried and tested one.... might help me sleep better.

Thought he have given away that toupe...
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 11:23

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 11:23
G'day Andrew,
I don't reckon you'll have the same issue with your 100 series cos you're a more careful driver than most.....LOL
Toyota have made a stuff up with the 100 series in the same way as Nissan did with the early 3litre.
If Toyota were smart, they'd ditch the plastic front end on their cruisers and go back to a beam axle; in the same way that if Nissan were smart they'd retire the 3litre donk, or reserve it's use to Navaras etc.
My original comment was aimed at getting the message across that the bloke would have to be pretty-well pyssed-off after having spent top dollar on what he thought was an unbreakable car and then he's spent even more dough on upgrading his suspension, only to have the whole thing come unstuck at a most inopportune time (not that there is ever a "good" time, but way up in WA just makes it an even emptier feeling).
I'm not trying to add fuel to the Nissan v Toyota debate.....indeed I am not too proud to admit that I'd have chosen an 80 series over the GQ I bought in 1995, but I simply couldn't afford one. (So I guess Pesty's right; I must be a closet Toyota wannabee!!! hahaha)
Nevertheless, I'm a happy trol owner.
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:24

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:24
That image.....carefully crafted over many posts.......over many years........over many beers.......a real Toyota hater............gone in one fell post.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Monday, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:32

Monday, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:32
hey andy & jen, i think you are fitting the torsion bar mount bracket kit ? yes? then its a different prob to this one. This prob is that there is no secondary method to limit the downtravell if the attachment of the shock absorber fails.
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:54

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 20:54
After all these years ,why couldnt they(Toyota) have kept a system like on the 4 Runners and Hilux's(dont think they changed the new Hilux's)Upper and lower stoppers,torsion bars along the top of the chasis rail.Has worked trouble free for years on these vehicles.
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 21:11

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 21:11
There is a similar story in the December 2004 edition of 4x4 Australia. They had to do some bush welding on the 100 series.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 21:24

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 21:24
the 100 series...is that the one with the 3.0l T/D?
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 14:30

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 14:30
No, sorry Bonz,
You're getting mixed up between 2 different manufacturer's respective blunders.....lolol
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Follow Up By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 23:03

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 23:03
Hi Bonz the 90 & 120 series Prado have a 3.0l TD

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 22:54

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 22:54
Gday all, I'm not a Toyota fan but i have to say i saw the best looking 100 series the other day in Parramatta. Black paint, polished to the max, gold door handles, badges and mirrors, tiny middle aged chinese lady driving, white knuckles and chin touching the top of the steering wheel and looking quite terrified. I wonder if that front end failure happens to her car, if she would notice or if she realised something was wrong, continue on and nurse it home???
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Follow Up By: peter in sa - Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 23:05

Saturday, Jan 15, 2005 at 23:05
ya i,m laughing Michael oh and the answer is nurs,in it home of cause chee,r GREENDOG
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:06

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:06
WOW, lots of hatred in this post i feel. Personally i wont get involved in the "us or them" war cause i believe both vehicles are fantastic. Myself, I purchased the GQ's(2nd one now) because of an expierence i had first time 4wd'ing as a passenger back in 1989. We were in a brand new GQ 4.2 Diesel LWB, we went offraod with 8 other cars of all sorts. The impressive part for me was the fact that the GQ i was a passenger in at the time was the only vehicle to do the whole trip without getting stuck. I knew nothing about 4wd's then so that was enough to do the trick.
I will also say that IF i was in a cruiser at the time, maybe id be driving one today.

Dont forget one major factor in Toyota's excellent sales in Australia...."ADVERTISING", They hit us hard and used the best available people at the time to tell us that they were here. I cant imagine how much John Laws has done to keep them ontop. Like or hate the man, he sells products and Toyota struck oil when they signed him up.
As for Nissan...well, they just plodded along at the time kinda kicking back waiting for us to go to them. It backfired, although at the time the nissan GTR was impressing people but thats about all.
Its like anything really, if you want to be the best, you have to hammer it down our throats. Being seen and heard every minute of the day will eventually get you more sales.

But i do believe that I wouldnt have been able to afford a cruiser back then so i would have either moved onto another hobby and skipped all the 4wding completely OR i would have taken a chance and got me a patrol anyway. Cant change the past though. I am more than happy with the 2 GQ's i have had. Not the fastest things around but reliable......absolutely.
Cheers Angelo
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Follow Up By: timgIobal - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:38

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:38
Advertising you reckon ???

LOL !!

Word of mouth is the best form of advertising so yes you are right there.
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Follow Up By: timgIobal - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:39

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:39
As far as Laws goes his audience is not a fraction of what it was.

It would not take long for word to travel if the prodcust was not best but Toyota have been #1 for so long it can only mean one thing.

It is the best product money can buy.

And it is .
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:43

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 10:43
The advertising campaign has been so successful, the last couple of replies have been from people who have been totally brainwashed into honestly believing what they say is fact.
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:50

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:50
Roachie, i dont know whats worse, being brainwashed, or, attempting to brainwash people with justification of purchase.......

I think the sales figures are proof enough, along with warrnaty and consumer complaints to justify why the dearest of the 2 options sells more than twice as many vehicles.

Facts dont lie Im afraid, but your entitled to your opinion, for what it is showing to be worth, thats why I prefer data over opinion when wanting to prove a point, compared to forcing one.
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Follow Up By: timgIobal - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 14:05

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 14:05
Well said offroad !
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Monday, Jan 17, 2005 at 00:01

Monday, Jan 17, 2005 at 00:01
Guess we're lucky we don't have Lawsy on the radio over here in the West. (well not in the city, anyway). Whenever I hear his voice, I think of his appearance in that 'C' grade movie "Nickel Queen" made back in the early '70's. Hire the dvd, set up the drinks, get a bit pi$$ed and roll around the floor laughing at his performance.
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Reply By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 11:35

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 11:35
Guys - methinks that johnno1 has changed his name again. Is he now TimgIobal? I thought the debate started out sensibly but it only takes one Troll to see it degenerate. IMHO ignore the troll - he will go away...............eventually.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:11

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:11
Picked it in one Patrol22, more inane PITA drivel to wade thru.
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Reply By: peter in sa - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:40

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:40
BLOODY HELL have i opened up a can a worm,s i,m glad i own a pajero, now i know what ur all thinkin but it,s what you can afford at end of the day and my truck goes ok for what i want to do with it , i wish i could afford a TOYOTA but not possible ,i sopose after reading all your reply,s aspeacially ROACHIE and ANDREW having a dig at each other i,m now filling a little left out of the whole thing i am now going to go and sit in my truck and have a cry cheer,s GRENDOG
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:51

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:51
excuse me but do you have a problem with your keyboard?
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Follow Up By: peter in sa - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:05

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:05
Sorry Mad Dog but i'm a little bit ILLETERATE excuse me for not being perfect
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:21

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:21
No I thought the apostrophe key may not be working so you are substituting commas. It's a bit annoying for me to read but I guess I'll have to learn to live with it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 14:25

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 14:25
G'day again blokes,
Sorry you weren't aware; but Andrew and I are "ol' mates" and have shared a drinkie or 2 together while rationally discussing the relative merits (and demits) of our respective choices of stead.
Those EO friends who have been hangin' out here for a year or so will know that although I am an unashamed Nissan owner, I have acknowledged on many occasions that the tojo's are very capable vehicles in the main. However, as quick as i am to jump into a debate, it's mostly a bit tongue in cheek.
Having said that, I don't back away from my belief the fact that there are an inordinate number of 3L Patrol failures nor the fragile front end on the 100 series.....that is not "knocking" it's just stating a fact as I see it.
If all the Nissans in the world blew up and i had to buy a replacement 4x4, I'd go for a Toyota; either a Troopy, 80 series T/D or a 100 series bases model diesel with a beam axle.
Here endeth the lesson..................
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 14:39

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 14:39
Very good Roachie. They are both very scary vehicles and at this stage I wouldn't touch them both either. How anyone could head off into remote areas with confidence is beyond me. I liike the idea of a Troopy also...when I get tired of the Lux
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Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:02

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:02
The story in 4wd monthly I find interesting, in the owners reflection of the incedent.

Firstly, if you new the shock was broken, why keep driving it, as this is only asking for trouble, and if he knew it was broken, which he must of, or how would he of known this was the cause after the car came to a stop, unless he isnt sure?

secondly, the ball joint only over extends, when the suspension is over extended, and if you knew the shock was broken, would you be driving the car in such a manner as to be over extending the suspension, if you couldnt fix it?

Then all of that begs the question, if aftermarket suspension was fitted, why did the people fitting it not recommend the extension limiter [aprox $55 per side adj] and should the manufacturer take blame for the concequences of an aftermarket part failure?

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Follow Up By: peter in sa - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:09

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:09
U have sumed it up in one hit, i reckon he would have been doing a little bit more than 30 kph
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:15

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 13:15
The guy was going back to (ARB i think) to discuss this issue with them. I agree, they should package the whole thing together.
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Monday, Jan 17, 2005 at 08:35

Monday, Jan 17, 2005 at 08:35
Well it just goes to show how pi$$ weak the 100s IFS front end is cause i broke a shock in the Explorer about 250ks out of Mt Isa made it to Mt Isa no worries had it fixed (so i thought) but broke again and had to stop at Winton and it was fixed again they were Tough Dog shocks. My point is there was no damage to the Explorer and it did not roll over or break anything else when it happened as people keep saying they do (uninformed people) and the fact that the 100s has the same IFS as the Explorer need i say more.

Baz, ex Explorer owner.
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Reply By: Member - Jim - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 19:53

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 19:53
When on the CSR or the like you must keep your brain "in gear" and always keep in your mind that spares (unless you have got them) and repairs are at worst 2 weeks away and at best not local.

The number of vehicles you come across with broken springs and shocks spilt is incredible. The shock thing particularly where speed is the contributor.

I know the corrugations are bad but try getting up to speed (to glide over them) for a couple of kilometres and then stop and feel the shocks (if you can), you don't need a degree to work out where the next failure will be.

In the outback its "slow and steady" or you want to have plenty of spare $'s, and for that matter time (for the repairs).

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 21:26

Sunday, Jan 16, 2005 at 21:26
The 100 series has always been a vey compramised off roader the ifs just makes it worse. It is just too big and heavy with too much exposed paneling. The last place I worked they would suffer significant damage before getting to the light duty stuff even. They are not a patch on the utes for serios offroading
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Monday, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:41

Monday, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:41
Yeah i cant believe that there is no secondary failsafe design in place, not very 'unbrakeable' is it?

Whats the travell limiter someone spoke of ? is it a load strap style of device or a cable/chain? i assume it bolts on somewhere to stop it dropping right out.

geez i'm glad the jack has nice fat bumpstops each way :-))
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