Cooper STT - Side wall puncture.

Signman ,
Also , to get the Cooper guarrantee you must show proof that you have had a wheel alignment every 10,000 klm .That is a con job advertising that warranty . It is total bullsh*t.
Willie.
PS ,
I staked two Coopers in 15 minutes in thje desert in July . We put a tube and a big patch into one and the other one was a write off . These are not really warranty claims though - you can put a stake through the sidewall of any tyre on the market - I am surprised Bridgestone gave you a credit .

Shame on you Nudey...you mean you didn't check the tyre pressures after gettin them fitted?? And you didnt adjust the pressures when venturing off road?? Tutt Tutt
I've seen the fitters in tyre shops inflating tyres til the bead 'pops' then fitting to the vehicle with no checking pressures. It could be 50psi + to pop a stiff bead.

Nudey, off topic a bit but do you have a satphone you hire out? my emails behind my pic, if you can steer me in anyones direction

got caught once but not again......

Hi Diamond
I'm not advocating that Coopers (or any brand tyre) are bullet proof- however for a company that builds it's reputation on off road driving- their guarantee has gotta be a joke. Coopers would be far more credible if they had no guarantee at all than "city driving only". I know that in Toorak (or Double Bay, Sydney) there are 4WDs with muddies on, but they're only for the shopping centre speed humps.
It's like Evinrude having a warranty on outboard motors- as long as they're not used in water??

Rod ,
I have 10 ply Coopers and stakes go into the sidewall VERY EASILY .
AsI just mentioned to Signman , I did two in 15 minutes .
Willie

as mentioned no tyre is bullet proof. We run 12ply dunlopdr2 and they are probably as close as you will get to puncture proof for ordinary offroading but I still managed to get about 20 flats last year including 3 in 1 go. I actually got good results with 40psi not 1 sidewall stake

Davoe ,
It's gotta help , pumping up the tyres and having the sidewalls vertical instead of bulging and vulnerable .
Sometimes in sand that is not possible or on corrugations not comfortable , but I support your theory whenever possible .
Cheers ,
Willie .

willie, I was talking only about only slow track/cross country driving. at high speeds on rocky roads eg grr rock impacts fracture your tyres ( I ruined 2 brand newies with 50psi) and sand goes without saying. The 20 flats I got were all in extreme cross country driving and often over burnt out areas. While it sounds like alot it wasnt for the type of driving

Do you think it's a good idea to fit a tube into a tyre with an internal repair?? I think there was an issue on this forum with even stickers left in a tyre case causing rubbing thru tubes- I think in your instance that must create problems- especially when you reduce pressures for offroad/sand work.
Bearing in mind the valve stem on a tube does not seal onto the rim, I think you could be in more problems than leaving the tyre tubeless.

I remember the issue on this forum, at the moment the tyre in question has done 20000+km since repair

Well I had Cooper STs light truck construction & I 'staked' the sidewalls on mine on the most innocuous section of track that you could imagine ... it was about 50 meters long with rocks about the size of half house bricks, I stopped at the start of it as it dropped down about 250mm then went over at about 10kph!
Both rear tyres with holes in the sidewalls, subsequently written off by the Cooper dealer.
After complaining about their mileage & durability being a joke, being promoted by the Leyland brothers all covered in red dirt, & then to be told city only, I received a 30% allowance which could be used on any tyre I chose.
After paying about a $1000.00 for the Coopers & being very disappointed with excessive wear, I decided to try a set of Firestone Firehawk RMT's, at $175 each, which appear to have a very strong sidewall, when let down to 25psi the tyre maintains the same profile as when at 38psi, whereas the Coopers did bulge very noticeably at 25psi.

Maybe I have 'jumped from the frying pan into the fire', only time will tell.

Spoken like a true gentleman. LOL.

aaah, so good to see a tyre thread again...

Don't worry mate, my missus put something through the sidewall of the Michelin 225/65-17 on her Kluger over the holidays on the good old Pacific Highway and I have just paid $400 for a new one (RRP $470 something, can you believe that.) Real 4WD tyres are CHEAP.

I've noticed that around here in leafy downtown Turramurra most of the newer rigs with aftermarket tyres are wearing Cooper (clearly in Warranty!). Older rigs of the 80 series and GQ/GUI variety (a rarerer breed 'round here now) are wearing BFG or Duellers. Touring the outback, locals seem to have whatever they have been able to lay thier hands on at a decent price. Hankook, Toyo, Savero, Olympic etc. Go figure.

$400 for a 4x4 tyre pffffffffffffffff. Our work F250s have Michelins worth $800ea. Frigging expensive but they are great on the bitumen/dirt but I wouldn't call them an off road tyre (they are classed as A/T though).

I thought it was funny since I paid $1000 for a set of 5 BFG KOs for my Rodeo.

Gee Willem..with an attitude like that... "Tyres are there to be punctured mate" .... you must be real fun on a trip. I guess the tyrepliers get a good work out ( or do you have a pantec full of fresh Coopers following up).
Or maybe your quote should be Coopers new advertising by-line.

Hey signman

I travel alone so I dont have to be fun to anyone on a trip

Why people have to whinge about staking a tyre is beyond me. It happens Even with 14 ply MRF crossplies you can stake a tyre.

Coopers are no different to most of the recreational tyres on the market. Good tread pattern but not very much in the sidewall.

You get punctures...so you should get over it as well

Actually, the first line was a bit harsh, they are fantastic in the mud, but, thats it.

Yeh Nuts,
I'm saving up for MT/Rs now too.....Coopers just don't live up to the hype. One trip to Cape York and they were VERY stuffed (big chunks out of most lugs etc)

Roachie I have had the same issue with BFG Allterrains.

Bloody tyres are just crap.

I suppose it the compromise any tire maker has to address.
I ran a set of coopers ATs over the burke&wills development rd and the kennedy development rd and few side tracks and they really chipped.
While a previous set of dunlop adventurers did cape york and another trip without a chip.
But then the dunlops used to aquaplane real easy on wet bitumen (slid through a r/bout once - scary) when worn, while the coopers didn't.
The coopers advertise the 'best' stopping distances on wet bitimen so the rubber must be a little softer for grip. Only got 60,000 from the coopers but 100,000 from the dunlops.
Just tried a set of toyo opats and they seem to be similar to the coopers, good grip bitumen and dirt tracks, but only 65,000k. Did chip on the strezlecki and birdsville tracks but not too much and mainly the rear drive wheels.
Ran a set of firestones before that, and they were more like the dunlops. Good wear (90,000) but bit slippery on bitumen when low on tread. Could spin the rear wheels in 1st and 2nd on a diesel pajero with low tread. Useful though by being able to steer on the throttle.
I suppose rubber against stone means the stone wins every time for hardness!