Checking Gas bottle levels.
Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:13
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signman
Whats the way to
check the level of gas in a used bottle??
Reply By: shaggy - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:51
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:51
Gday signman,
the best way is to find the tare weight of your bottle. This will be labeled ie. T.C. 10.0 kg. Next to there will be the bottles water capacity. ie W.C. 22.0 kg. This means that the bottle's volume is 22 litres of water. A gas bottle by law can only be filled to a certain pressure, and when you fill it at the station, this pressure is achieved. The propane or propane/butane mix at that pressure will weigh about 41% of the water capacity. This means that: 41% of 22 Kg or L, is equal to 9 kg. This is a standard 9kg gas bottle. But this gas will occupy 22L of space, (not really, there will also be liquified gas present), but thats not important for now. So if you weigh your bottle once it has been filled, it should weigh Tare Weight + Gas weight ie 10.0 + 9.0 kg, should be around 19 kg. So after a few weeks, if your bottle weighs 15 kg, you have used 4 kg of gas, and have 5 kg of gas remaining. An empty bottle will still weigh 10.0kg (or whatever is stamped). If you use the same scale each time to weigh the bottle, this can be quite an accurate measurement. You can also
check whether you have recieved a full fill from the gas station ie the bottle should weigh close to 19 kg full.
Pouring boiling water onto pressure vessels is a butchers way of doing it, and is deffinitely not something that is advocated in the chemical industry. But boys will be boys...
Hope this answers your question
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 14:09
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 14:09
Shaggy ,
That's the most complete answer to a question I have ever seen .
Well done .
Willie .
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 15:21
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 15:21
Yeh Shaggy,
What Willie said ^^^^^^^^
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 19:03
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 19:03
Hey Shaggy,
The "Butcher's" way of doing it may not be all that scientific but it does tell you if your bottle is half, three quarters or a third or whatever full. What more do you need to know?
Pretty much like a fuel gauge on a car. Tells you when you are getting close to empty, not exactly how many litres are left.
Simple but effective.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Reply By: Top Cat - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:52
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:52
This is how i do it and it gives an accurate indication.
Make certain that there are no hoses attached firstly.
Then simply open the tap a small ammount so that a little gas is escaping.
Now tip the bottle slowly over.......possibly even starting to turn it upside down.
When you see the white gas (frozen liguid petroleum gas) escaping then that is the level of the liquid in the bottle.
ie........imagine it was water and you are tipping it over........so anything below the level line from that moment is what is left.
So if you turn the bottle hal;fway......ie it is at 90degrees to normal then u have a half full tank.
This works because the LPG is actually stored as a liquid in the bottle and will start to flow out as a liquid when given the opportunity just like water would.
When exposed to the atmosphere it turns into a gas.
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:57
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:57
Hope you're not a smoker !!!
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Follow Up By: Top Cat - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 14:28
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 14:28
Actually that is a good point and one that i probably should have made.
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 19:10
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 19:10
Sounds a little dangerous to me TC.
What happens if the bottle slips whilst you are doing this, hits something and causes a spark. KERBOOM.
I know the chances are unlikely, but no risk is better than a small risk IMHO.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Reply By: signman - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 14:14
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 14:14
Message to BUSHFIX
Here at our fire service, we call it a BLEVE
Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapour Explosion.
Check out BLEVE on your search...there's some great pics.
To all other with the answers to my query...many thanks
Signman
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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 15:04
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 15:04
G'day signman,
yeah I know what a BLEVE is but your suggestion to light a match to see down the hole means the hole is open so gas is escaping so you have an uncontrolled vapour cloud. Combine that with lit match and you have a Percussive Uncontrolled Vapour Cloud Explosion, PUVCE, albeit a very small one.
BLEVE would be caused by the gas bottle being heated to such a point that as the liquid gas heats, it vapourises and expands, the gas bottle eventually has to accomodate that expanding, so ruptures. A lit match would not provide enough heat for a BLEVE.
anyway what I believe, cheers from one firey to another.
Jeremy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 17:02
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 17:02
Hi Signman,
My understanding of BLEVE is as explained by Bushfix above. I'm not a firey, just something I remember from a Occ Health & Safety video from years ago.
Regards,
Hugh
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 18:30
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 18:30
I've got a really good way.... (I'm obviously not as clever as the other boys who replied earlier in this post) but I just went out and bought a 1kg bottle for $20 or so and when I run out I know I've got none left. LOL
The 1 Litire I then use until I get a chance to fill the big bugger back up. That way I'm always filling up (or exchanging) a totally empty bottle and get my $$$ worth.
PS I also have a 2kg bottle. Normally I take the 2kg and 1kg camping and the 9kg I use for the BBQ. But the principle works accross the whole lot anyway. I mix and match depending on the situation...
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 19:07
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 19:07
Sure you're clever Jeff.
You'll never run out of gas and isn't that the aim?
I do the same.I carry a 2kg and a 3kg bottle in the camper. When one is empty, swap them and get the empty one filled.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Rocky M QLD - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 21:38
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005 at 21:38
HI all,
we carry spare hoses and spare belts and spare tyres and of cause spare gas bottles.That way all is good all the time.It might be a really small fellow but it will get you to the next filler station.
Regards Dave
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Reply By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2005 at 00:42
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2005 at 00:42
My old 4.5kg Gas cylinder has an internal float connected to a little plastic gauge which gives an accurate reading of contents.
Have paid almost the cost of a new cylinder, to have the bottle tested and re-certified for another ten years, cause I really like this accessory.
I think they are still available on some brands of gas cylinders and can also be installed by a gas retail outlet, such as Maxbuilt in S.A. Price, don't know.
Haven't bothered to retrofit my other cylinders though.
If the 9kg Barbecue bottle runs out at
home, I use the 4.5kg one with the gauge until the other has been refilled.
When camping, I have a 2kg bottle as an auxiliary.
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