Navman PINs

Submitted: Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 19:11
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Is anyone having issues with getting a fix. With my Navman PIN the least amount of time it takes is 5 minutes and that’s not moving and out of the car.

I spoke to Navman support over this issue and they said don't turn it on indoors, stay stationary for 30 seconds.
I think if this even resolved the problem ( It Didn't ) is unsatisfactory as you have no chance of sitting at home setting up POI on the thing nor the fact it won’t do what’s its designed to do.

While in the Victorian Highlands in Jan it got some good testing and a fair amount of the tracks through the Highlands were on it just not named and no POI available.

I found routing in major towns to be very lacking and on many occasions clearly wrong, Also found it attempted on 3 separate occasions to put me on a motorway where there was no ramp ( turn right off a bridge :-( )

In Sydney when I finally get a fix it is an excellent product and routes well.

Has anyone experienced anything like this? Have I got a setup issue or are they just lemons?

My Magellan in the same circumstances takes less than 30 seconds to fix itself.

Regards
Jason
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Reply By: StormyKnight - Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 19:42

Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 19:42
Does the navman have a screen indicating satelittes & signal strengths? Perhaps you should compare these two screens from each GPS & see what results you get.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason F (NSW) - Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 21:43

Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 21:43
The only strength indicator is red or green

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Jason
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Reply By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 20:00

Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 20:00
The Navmans seem to be only good in cities... Mine gets terribly confused on main highways. Yes there seems to be some map reading problems the Navman dosent seem to know if its an intersection or an overpass and has directed me to "turn right now" where no road exists, or "do legal U turn"... on a freeway...
I'm just not sure if the problem is the data the thing has to work with or the inability to interpret the data it's given.. Navman support told me when i pointed out some shortcomings that i should have made sure it was suitable for the use I intended....hmmmmmmm I wonder why I did buy it....to navigate around town I thought....must be wrong... must have bought it as a conversation piece. I can't find a way of teaching it to learn from past mistakes....
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Reply By: Baz (NSW) - Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 22:09

Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 22:09
what version do you have 1, 2 or 3, we have 3 and don't have this problem, i would recommend you ring the guys at Superalarm at Redfern or go there they were very helpfull to us.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason F (NSW) - Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 23:52

Monday, Jan 31, 2005 at 23:52
Version 3 of Navman
From a cold start how long before you get a fix suitable for routing?

Jason
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:24

Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:24
Hi Jason i've member messaged you about the Navman PiN.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:42

Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:42
Baz, I looked at the Navman last year to see it didn't have the Great Ocean Road, if I remember correctly. Has it improved since then. I remember when there was a Mitsubishi hire car here with satnav in it, the bloke may just as well have been 500 kms west of Ayres Rock. We decided it should do some outback work round the paddock.

I guess yours is improved on that. My Meridian even has some of the farm tracks on it.

When are we going to see the pic of the new one at home on the range? I hope you will find it every bit as good as you expect and more.
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 14:33

Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 14:33
Hey John seems to work well it is true the early versions were not very accurate but the version 3 is much better, we have maps loaded onto the Laptop and we take them up from there the street maps work really well very accurate to within a house we are very pleased. We will be testing it with tracks on the weekend in Lithgow so we will let you know how it goes.

Baz.
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Reply By: GUPatrol - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 09:38

Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 09:38
Jason,

You have to understand how it works.
The Navman PIN is a windows CE 2003 pocket PC, it has an incorporated GPS which talks to any GPS software via com2.
I got one and using the cr@ppy smartST software that comes with it I had the same problem, this is due to the fact that the GPS itself gets a fix (I used third party software to diagnose/troubleshoot that) but smartst drops the almanac if it doesn't get a fix within xx number of seconds, then it has to do it all again (cold fix) that is the reason why navman tells you not to turn it on indoors (which is pathetic in my view).
If you use Oziexplorer (for example) you no longer have those problems and the maps are your maps not the smartst ones.
Conclusion: what I am trying to say is that the problem is smartst and not the GPS.
On a recent trip to the high country the GPS once lost the fix for a few minutes due to a heavy wooded area which was also surrounded by mountains while the Garmin with external antenna didn't, but the satellite view on both only had three visible satellites so it is understandable that the one inside the vehicle would loose it first.
If you use oziexplorer CE you also get a satellite view screen which makes sense instead of the silly green dot which comes with smartst.
In other words what you are having troubles with is smartst (which is OK if you only use it in the city).
For anything else you need to use other mapping software but the hardware is OK and does a good job, except for the windows CE 2003 and its glitches but we all know by now that Microsoft products are like that....
William
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Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 19:28

Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 19:28
Jason you answered my question, I don't need the silly "smartST", I'm going to use OziCE when I get a NavMan. Thanks for clarifing the hardware/software issues.

Thanks
Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:40

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:40
When I install gliding software (navigation coupled to glide calculations ie will i make it!) and set to look at Com2 it won't work. I suspect SmartSt hogs the port but I don't know for sure. Anyone know if this is true befoe I delete SmartST?
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Follow Up By: GUPatrol - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:41

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:41
David,

You are correct, SmartST hogs the port, there is a service pack for it or update to version 3.
You can't have more than one GPS software talking on the same port either unless you have other software such as franson GPS Gate.

William
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 17:07

Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 17:07
William

Thanks for that confirmation

David O
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Reply By: Member - Jason F (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 23:08

Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 23:08
After some further reasearch on the web I found I have an issue with the PIN where by its gps date caluclation is wrong.

If anyones interested the info and a link to the file that resolved this can be found here Expansys

It appears that the fix for the bad date has made a dramatic time to fix improvement. Lets hope it stays that way.

I found it interesting that I reported this to NavMan in December last year and they didn't acknowledge the problem :(

Regards
Jason
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Follow Up By: GUPatrol - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 13:43

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 13:43
Jason,

They have, it is even on that link!! The fix was actually provided by Navman as an interim solution to the date problem...

I was not aware though that the date problem was affecting the time it took to get a fix.

Keep an eye on it as the date problem returns, then you have to run the utility to reset it again, it is a firmware issue...

I am testing it again to see if the utility does in fact improve fix delays

William
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason F (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 17:44

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 17:44
They may have in the UK but no one out here has that and Navman Aus certainly offered me no fixes in December.
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Reply By: Member - Jason F (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 17:45

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 17:45
Thanks are looking even better today.
Last night I did an update to the PIN’s firmware
Take a look at this thread for more info The firmware has made a very measurable improvement in satellite acquisition. Faster, more of them and all this on a very overcast day. I can now actually get a 3d fix in my office where previously couldn’t get 2d.

I would highly recommend it for anyone who has similar issues.

Regards
Jason
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason F (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 17:48

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 17:48
One day I will read my posts prior to posting :(
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Follow Up By: GUPatrol - Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:59

Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:59
Jason,

I got the old firmware too, I found the firmware check tool but not the update tool, where can I get that from?

Thanks
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Follow Up By: GUPatrol - Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 10:43

Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 10:43
Jason,

Don't worry I got it, all updated, will test it today.

Thanks Again
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Reply By: Member - Jason F (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 21:39

Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 21:39
Link to the tool and firmware
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