Tyre Pressure
Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 01:31
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Member - Glenn P (SA)
I know this will get some conflicting replys but here goes. I have Goodyear MTR's on my vehicle when I go onto the dirty stuff. I noticed in a thread a few months back that a couple of guys were discussing tyre pressure and it seemed they thought that around 34psi was good with this rubber whilst on the black top. A mate has just fitted them to his Patrol, as his only set. He was adviced by the dealer to never run them on the black stuff at anything less than 40psi. Just wanted to know if anyone had any ideas and or experience with goodyear MTR's
Reply By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 11:47
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 11:47
on my jackaroo i was advised by dealer to run 40 psi all round,
well it was good in a straight line but hopeless cornering and couldnt be stopped in the wet, just hopped and skittered everywhere, now using 34 all round and it is heaps better, no real difference to the noise. And when running they go to 38/39 hot, so its pretty spot on.
4 PSI RULE - basically if you run the correct pressures there will be a 4 psi difference between cold and hot pressure.
Check out the Sime tyres website, they have a really good explanation on the subject.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 14:46
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 14:46
Actually in heavy rain having a higher pressure will help avoid aqua plaining as the tyres cut through the water rather that floating on top of it.
I used to run my
sedan at 40psi and it stopped on a 50c peice in the wet. I run my Bridstone DD's at 44psi all round and find it handles supurb on the open road compared to mid 30's. I dropped my tyres down to 29psi on some gravel down SW of WA over chrisy and (fully loaded) the car felt like the shocks had died. Bouncing all over the place, pump them back up and she was cruising very happy again. We were down Margeret River way and "caves road" is hilly twisty and bumpy sealed road, you could really tell the difference.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 15:08
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 15:08
ya for 'normal' rubber this is right, i used to run my 693's at 38-40 on road and they were fantastic, But these mtrs sit up on the centre blocks at 40 psi and its pure physics in the wet , it just doesnt have the contact area to provide enough braking force, no probs with aquaplaning with such an open tread, but it didnt sit the tread flat enough to gain enough retardation and load transfer to get the front tyres to squash down and give proper braking, if you know what i mean.
at 34 its a fair bit better stopping in the wet, taking off,
well thats another story, anything more than 1/2 boot and it will spin through 1st and 2nd , sometimes it breaks out on the shift to third as
well.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 15:13
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 15:13
Fair enough, that makes sense.
Hmmm, my Automatic Diesel doesn't seem to have that problem in the wet for some reason??? :-(
Nah, it's not a lack of power, it's all that traction my old weathered bridgesones have! LOL (keep telling yourself that Jeff)
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 17:06
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 17:06
Hmm how to ruin Jeffs day totally,
Tell him that aged tyres harden through heat and sunlight, and therefore have a lower coefficient of friction and are easier to spin - especially in the wet.
Na, wont tell him that.......
;-)))))))
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 17:48
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 17:48
Arrrrrgh!
Well on the upside I used to spin the wheels alot until I fixed the rear
suspension, new coils and airbags.... Does that count!! :-)
(just shows how much play the Yota LSD has hey!).
Man it's only getting worse, I'm gonna quit while I'm getting slautered!
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 10:38
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 10:38
Ahh airbags eh,
well the solution to all your anti-social wishes is to pump the airbags up to full height, whack 60psi in the rear tyres and do the 2 pedal shufle :-))
Not that i condone such behaviour though................
take it easy buddy. Brad
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 14:56
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 14:56
Glenn,
Run MTR's(235.85R16's) on 79 series tojo, with skinny rims. Run at 34-36 psi, on bitumen, gravel and station roads. Would run them around 32-34 if had them on 7" rims.
We kick 'em up to 40 if it's loaded, or hot, and going for a quick trip on the black stuff. Only time I'll let them down is if it's wet, and I want to get
home!!!
Am on 2nd set, and the original ones wore evenly, at those pressures. In fact, got about 50K out of most of the first lot. Good for this country. Like the TG wranglers as
well, in 750R16.
Hooroo...
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Reply By: greydemon - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:12
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:12
Hi Glenn,
The link to the Canadian site looks fairly good. My company sends most of it's employees on a specialist driving course. The advice there is to always inflate tyres higher than the vehicle manufacturer recommends. This is because the manufacturers go for lower pressures to increase ride comfort. Lower pressures lead to increased side wall flexibility which reduces handling and increases heat.
Most vehicles run with under inflated tyres, just go and have a look at the old tyres behind any tyre outlet, I doubt that you will find many, if any, worn out down the middle through over inflation. Some people have mentioned that they run lower pressures on gravel,
well each to their own, when in the
Kimberley I was advised that the local police and prison service always run on high pressure tyres on gravel, most blowouts on gravel are due to side wall failure from flexing and heat build up. Of the blowouts I saw on that trip - about 10, I would say that 7 of them were side wall damage.
The opinion of the course instructors was to always run on high pressure - in your case at least 42-44psi, and even for small passenger vehicles 40psi was recommended. The ONLY exception was of course for driving in sand where very low pressures were recommended, though not so low that the tyre comes off the rim.
Sorry if this just adds to the confusion!
Greydemon
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Follow Up By: greydemon - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:29
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:29
Me again,
Go and have a look at post 19953. It concerns tyre blow-outs at high speed. Several of the examples quote the cause as a slow
puncture causing low tyre pressure causing overheating and side wall failure. It's bad enough when this happens due to a slow
puncture, you would be pretty upset to cause it yourself through under inflated tyres on the gravel or blacktop.
Greydemon
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Reply By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:35
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:35
Yep,
I agree with Greydemon in that the "Drive Safe" Instructors recommend a higher pressure. I too, have done one of these courses.
However, in relation to this and also the Canadian site, I can't help feeling that the logic and comments relate specifically to your standard passenger vehicles with standard "black top" tyres.
I would support the comments made by Utemad and Bradley.
I am also a believer in the 4PSI rule. This will work for everybody and every car.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 16:13
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 16:13
EVERY CAR IS DIFFERENT... TRIAL AND ERROR.
How much weight does your mate have in his car?
How many accessories are weighing down his car?
Does he tow?
What size tires?
Where does he live - eg Temps of the road/ambient etc?
What roads does he drive on?
What
suspension does he have - firm or soft?
MTR's in a 33x12.5's as my daily tires on my Patrol... 40psi is like driving on solid rubber blocks! No give at all. IMHO.. IYDGFY :) I run 36 all round at moment on road and its good.
Down to 22-14 offroad if needed they bag out
well.
Will Go MTR"s again when Royce buys these off me.
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