david koch

What did he say.

all the best
Eric

More importantly, whats his email addy ??????

Could that the LC 80/100 series GXL with the constant 4WD could be more correctly termed AWD not 4WD???

I've just sent off a long-winded email to them as well.....got a bit off my chest. I told 'em I wouldn't be watching their poxy show anymore (never did anyway..hahaha) and that I'd be watching nine's TODAY show from now on (which I always have done).

Here's what I said....................

"Following yesterday's biased babble by your presenter Mr Koch, I have decided to start watching the nine program "TODAY" from now on.

I understand Mr Koch actually owns a 4wd vehicle himself, yet has the temerity to "slag-off" at other 4wd owners.

There is a lot of b/s going around about 4x4 vehicles at present and i think that people need to put their collective brains into gear before they drop the clutch on their jaw muscles.

1.) A large 4x4 (say landcruiser or patrol) takes up about the same amount of "floor space" as a falcon/commodore etc. They are a bit higher I must admit and owners are already paying the consequences of this by not being able to access some undercover carparks.
2.) If a special licence is to be introduced for 4x4 drivers, then i assume these will need to be obtained by Mr Harold Srubby (i put the extra "b" in his name on purpose), David Koch, the wives of all politicians who own/drive BMW X5's, Mercedes ML350/ML500, Lexus etc. Note that as I class myself as a "legitimate" 4 wheel driver (I am the president of the Yorke Peninsula 4 Wheel Drive Club and have undertaken special training to qualify me to cope with the peculiar handling aspects of a 4x4), I have no objection to a special licence being required by all drivers of such vehicles. The difficulty is going to be getting accreditations for the "city-based" owners of 4x4s who have no intention of ever going off the bitumen in the shiny status symbol.
3.) I totally agree that there are many, many 4x4's owned by people who would be far better off owning a normal 2wd car. However, I get annoyed when all 4x4 owners are tarred with the same brush. I use my 4x4 for it's intended purpose. I live in a country town and only venture to Adelaide when it is absolutely necessary. I take my wife and 3 boys on outback holidays as often as time and funds permit.
4.) The other issue which raises it's ugly head with people like your Mr Koch from time to time is "bullbars". The very idea that 4x4 s (and presumably sedans) must not have a bullbar when driving in a city, is totally ludicrous. Does that mean that if I want to venture into the city for a day, I would have to spend several hours unbolting my (air-bag compatible) bullbar off my Nissan patrol and then drive that vehicle into town with no frontal-protection (with which to ward off those evil pedestrians). Let me say here and now; if my vehicle hits a person when I'm travelling at 50k/h (or even less) that person is VERY likely to be dead, regardless of whether I have a bullbar, don't have a bullbar or even if I had a inner-spring mattress tied to the front of my rig.....you simply don't get up and walk away after you've been hit by a 2.5 tonne vehicle....or, for that matter, a 1.5 tonne Falcon etc. Pedestrians have a responsibility to behave themselves; I have to when I walk along the streets; so does everybody else.

Anyway, now that channel 9 has pensioned-off that Leebman bloke, I reckon they have a better breakky line-up than you anyway......so, as I said, thanks for the laughs and maybe you can suggest to Mr Koch that he should get real.

Cheers

Roachie

After my post regarding this yesterday, I sent them an e-mail but haven't got a reply yet. I guess he's too ambarassed for being stupid enough to compare his awd outlander to familly sedan and that as a journalist he could not even get the facts right in the first place.
The thing is he actually doesn't intend to use his car offroad since he thinks its a familly sedan, so all those arguments about people who don't use the car for its intended purpose apply directly to him first.
I haven't watch their program this morning so maybe he made a public apology to 4wd owners? Did someone tape it if he did cause I would love to see that.

SLY.

I just need to make a comment.

I generally agree with what you guys have said above , however , there is one thing there that gets my back up.

Intention.

There is a lot of talk about , these shiny Status symbols , mums taxi's , etc , and the so called fact , that they never intend to take them offroad.

Well , guess what . . . the is NO law that says you have to.

Do you complain about all these Super sports cars capable of doing 250 kph + . Whats the point of buying one of those , if you dont intend to use it to its FULL capabilities.

How appropriate is a low slung sports car in the City ? They barely get over bumbs in the road , let alone driveways etc.

I'm sure they dont take to well at travelling at 20 or 30 kph in stop start morning traffic.

I did NOT buy my first 4wd for the purpose of taling it offroad. I bought it to seat my 4 kids. The fact that I COULD take it offroad was a bonus.

What if the "intent" was to do a big trip in 5 or 6 years time ?

Do you need to immediately do this trip , to require that vehicle.

What about towing something ?

being that a lot of this discussion is based around North Sydney , its quite possible that these people own Dirty great big Boats that require towing , or Little Sara , and Bobby are into horses , or they tow a big 24foot Caravan ?

ALL are legitimate reasons for owning a 4wd , OTHER then going Offroad.

Yes , there ARE other vehicles that "may" do those jobs , but , the 4wd does them best.

By all means , defend 4wds , but DO NOT bag someones CHOICE of vehicle , REGARDLESS on intention, because , chances are , you know NOTHING about that person.

Flappa

"Do you complain about all these Super sports cars capable of doing 250 kph + . Whats the point of buying one of those , if you dont intend to use it to its FULL capabilities.

How appropriate is a low slung sports car in the City ? They barely get over bumbs in the road , let alone driveways etc."

I stated this very fact on the SMH "forum" (loosely termed) yesterday - in almost your exact words.

They did not post this little bit of insightful comment.........................

I'm a bit confused on this issue.

How can 4x4's take up more floor space when all parking bays are the same size?

A mate of mine has 5 kids. He bought a Patrol because for his money he got more car than he would have with a tarago, or any other people mover. Plus it looks heaps better and he can tow with it, so the holidays up north are far more easier to do.
I reckon he has taken the patrol on the beach once or twice and I know he has never been in the rough with it. It dosn't even had a bullbar. He says he will never need one.
As he say's and I agree, My family come first, why should I place my family at more risk by driving a smaller car? And if someone else is foolish enough to cause a accident and is hurt, as long as my family is safe, I can live with that.

sunrise@seven .com.au
for mr koch seems to be disabled .

lmao seemd the 4wd communoity has achieved a meltdon on their server.

or blocked any heading of david koch or 4wd

typical

just hide the facts away till after the show