Alpine diesel conditioner

Submitted: Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:25
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Hi all,

We're heading to Perisher in late June. I was just wondering where it is that you start to get alpine diesel? We are driving from Brisbane-Sydney-Canberra-Jindabyne.

I have looked through the archives and it would seem that alpine diesel supply is not always guaranteed. Would it be better to just use the additive instead. What would happen if I used the additive with alpine diesel as the archives suggest that some alpine diesel isn't rated as low as is necessary for a snow trip.

We have a 113L tank too. Might just fill up in Canberra and just use additive???
Archives suggest that Toyota sell the best additive although kero works too. Any thoughts. Taking a work car so don't want to stuff it.

We will be staying above the snow line for 6 days and the car won't be touched in that time.

Thanks guys.
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Reply By: Patrolman Pat - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:31

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:31
Utemad, we filled up the old navara last July in Bright and the higher we climbed, and the colder it got, the rougher it ran. It drove like a dog. I'm assuming it was down to poor fuel/lack of additive. I would take additive with me next time just in case.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:52

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:52
Pat - your standard diesel tends to "wax" up at low temperatures, and goes thick and gluggy. Alpine diesel has an additive to it that lowers the "wax point" so that it thickens at a much lower temperature.
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Reply By: theshadows - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 13:43

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 13:43
wrap and seal your battery up and pop 3-5 ltrs of unleaded into the full tank.

work a treat every time.

shadow
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 13:51

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 13:51
First I have heard of wrapping up the batteries. What is the reasoning behind that?

I know batteries don't like the cold though.
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 14:31

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 14:31
I always was of the belief that any petrol in a diesel was a no, no.
What's the go?
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Follow Up By: theshadows - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 14:38

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 14:38
1st batteries
Yes your right batteries dont like the cold so wrap'em so they dont lose charge if you can take them out of the bay and put them inside the car.

2 petrol in the tank.
pop a little petrol in the tank rasies the octane of the fuel. It has 2 good benifits. 1st is it stops the diesal from waxing and blocking fuel lines .
2nd it boosts the octane rating making the car easier to start and run a little better in the alpine hills. 3 -5 liters into an 70 plus liter fuel tanks wont hurt your motor.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 14:52

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 14:52
I assume you would put the petrol (or any additive) into the tank before you topped it up with diesel?

This would be to improve the mixing of the two fuels.
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Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:50

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:50
Alpine diesel is pre-mixed. I don't know why, but my common rail diesel goes very well on Alpine diesel, so I like to use it.

The first place along the way to have it (going south) is Williamsdale - about 30km out of Canberra/Queanbeyan on the Monaro Highway. I'd buy it in Cooma on the way down, as more is sold there.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 23:23

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 23:23
Thanks. I've just marked those towns on my GPS route :-)
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Reply By: dublediff - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 19:24

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 19:24
If relying on alpine diesel, particularly with a large tank, make sue that you put enough into in the tank. I would expect it takes at least 3/4 of a tank to ensure that the diesel doesn't wax up like mine did last year. Mr RACV took 2 yours to get to me , by that time the temp had risen sufficiently to loosen up the fuel.
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Reply By: Biggus - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 22:30

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 22:30
Utemad
Talk to a reputable diesel expert ie west end diesel or the like, for the sake of a phone call verses serious damage to an expensive motor what have you got to lose !!!
Biggus
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 23:21

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 23:21
Very true. We have contacts in that area so I'll talk to them next I see them.

I'll call Ford too but I don't think they'd be much help to be honest.
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Reply By: floyd - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 16:12

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 16:12
Run your car to almost empty and then fill up in Jindabyne. It carrys Alpine diesel almost all year. Keep the concentration to a large % of the fuel tank and you will not have a problem.

Do not add unleaded. This may work for some but there is no research that confirms that it is not harmless to a diesel engine. It may not blow it up the first time but it may shorten the life or have an unmeasurable harmfull effect. If you must use an additive then get a brand name one. these products have had testing and lots of little guys in white coats and glasses measuring tolerances and wear on motors. Look at this as insurance for your engine.

As far as wrapping up your battery up, how does this work??? After about an hour or two the whole vehicle (and everything in it) will lower itself to the outside air temperature. This would work if the battery produced heat (like a body). The wrapping would help keep the heat in. But batteries do not produce heat when they are not getting charged so when the vehicle is off they lose heat not gain it.

If you want to keep the battery up to full charge then take it into your accommodation and keep it in a warm room for the duration of your stay.

Dr Karl says: "Try putting a small battery wrapped in a tea towl in the freezer. Let it sit for a week and then measure its temperature. I bet it will be the same as the freezer temp". Battery wrapping in the snow is an old wives tale. Ignore it.
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 17:29

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 17:29
My plan (subject to change without notice as always) is to fill up in Brisbane which will then get us to Sydney almost empty. Then half fill in Sydney which should get us to to Jindabyne. I'll fill at either Cooma or Jindabyne. I assume it would be cheaper in Cooma as it is on a bigger road (according to the map) and more likely to be open. We found it interesting in New Zealand on our last ski trip that some servos weren't open on Sundays (we'll be arriving in Jindabyne on a Sunday).
I'll carry an additive of some description just in case.

I was wondering about the battery wrapping thing as like you I thought once the battery was not being used it would cool down regardless of the wrapping as no internal heat was being produced. I thought perhaps it was to stop wind chill when moving.
I think I will remove one battery and store it in the hotel. We have twin starting batteries so leaving one in there will at least keep all the clocks etc happy. Perhaps the hotel has a vehicle jump starter pack as I would think flat batteries would be common there.

There is nothing like planning a holiday to pass the time :-)

Thanks
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Reply By: bernie1 - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 18:34

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 18:34
Utemad,
I'll be down there at the same time and have the same question but will be coming from Tumut to Jindabine. Hoping to get alpine fuel in Tumut or Jindabine. Most probably run main tank empty before hand and fill up with alpine fuel at Jindabine.Lc 105

cheers
Bernie
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 18:50

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 18:50
We'll keep an eye out for you. We'll be in a silver F250 dual cab.
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Follow Up By: bernie1 - Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 14:32

Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 14:32
We'll be in white Lc105 with ally b/bar with 1 spot light on.
cheers
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