Tyreplier VS B.Breaker - nows your chance

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Well, after having a few problems getting a 13 inch tyre off and asking for help on getting it back on again, I tried the tyreplier on my 16x7 4wd rim.

The result, NOT A PROBLEM. Beads broke with 2 thrusts from the tyreplier. Tyre came off no probs (easy when you do it the right way), and went on just as easy. Just had to fix a slow leak coming from a screw.

A quick question before I launch into the meat of this thread - the tyre repair instructions say to have all repairs inspected by a tyre repair specialist. Is this really necessary, especially for a screw hole?

Now, to all those people who told me I made the wrong decision buying tyreplier and not R&R beadbreaker, I have this to say.

If you can break your beads (both sides) with an R&R in less than 30 seconds, which includes getting the tool out of it case and putting it away again, then I eat my words. I didn't even have to bend over with the tyrepliers, just a little to push down on the lever to break the bead.

Now that I know what my tyrepliers can do, I challenge anyone with a R&R to a bead breaking contest. I would back myself any day.

Thanks for all the constructive (not) criticism for getting a tyreplier, but you have all been sucked in by R&R marketing and should have bought one.

If anyone has anything to say to redeem themselves, go ahead but as far as I'm concerned it is game over. Tyreplier wins!
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Reply By: D-Jack - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:45

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:45
What 19 reads so far and no bites?!!!
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:53

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:53
No argument here from me.

I actually did call the Bead Breaker dude personally a few weeks ago. He bagged my purchase.....

When prospective customers call me, and ask about my competitors wares, I tell 'em. I tell them that they are GOOD!

You & I have both had success with our purchases of Tyre Levers. They work. It's a bit like Waeco - Engel.... Nissan - Toyota....etc....

In the grand plan, it doesn't really matter if Joe Blow says "A" is better than "B", if "A" is doing what you want it to do.

I agree, a lot of people do know of better products, and methods, but if you are happy, that is all that matters.

Now, all we have to do is educate the women folk in the way of the Tyre Changing Force, and become one with the wheel, while we attend to other matters...... photography...... drinking ......

Whoa!!! Get ready Wolfie...... duck for cover......

Cheers from the Tyre Plier Brethren......

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Reply By: Redback - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:59

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 18:59
I have the tyrepliers, need i say more and was told not to buy R&R, but not knowing anyone with the R&R can't and won't comment on if they are better only thing i will say is i'm happy with my purchace.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 19:01

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 19:01
Well I hope they are great, Tyrepliers that is. I just got me one pair and a couple of them lever doovers, hope I never have to use them but I can rest assured that Wolfie is on the other end of the SatPhone.
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 19:14

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 19:14

Best thing you can do is give them a practice run. I kept putting it off because I was worried it would be too hard and I would be disheartened, but follow the instructions (general tyre removal that is) and it should only take a half hour the first time (not inlcluding removing and putting on the wheel) After a couple of goes will only take 10 mins or so plus time to patch the tyre.

Better that before you know
Than changing one for the first time on the go

I just made up a poem. Maybe there are more to come.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 20:39

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 20:39
They are that good, but as posted, give em a try at home before setting off. The trick to remember is that they shouldn't take the place of a professional tyre place. They are for when you need to be self sufficient. Just knowing that you can repair your own tyres if necessary can lead to peace of mind and self satisfaction.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:03

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:03
Well I have changed tyres before on others cars with others tyrepliers, never on my own, never needed to. Have also changed the old 7.50-16's on a Landy broke the bead by driving over the tyre till it popped, once or thrice, and I were 16 then , hmm that'd be 29 years ago. I wont have any trouble doing it, I don't think, come to think of it I broke the bead on the Patrols RH front tyre, driving up a track in the Otways. Don't want to have to do it that way again........in the Desert

So I would have to say:

Before I go, I'd have to to know,
How to change the tyres.
To have the need, to break a bead,
I'll love my Tyrepliers

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Reply By: Member - Poppy (QLD) - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 20:20

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 20:20
Glad to hear they work so well
I bought mine about 3 weeks ago from ARB and was a bit concerned when I read the comments on the recent thread, but mate my fears were unfounded after reading the above
And now I should be able to convince SWMBO that they really worth all that money
Cheers Poppy
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 20:47

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 20:47
I've had my set of tyrepliers for the past 15 years or so. Used to run splits and fixed many a puncture out in the bush. Now I have capitulated and run 265x16's. Havent had a puncture yet, touch wood but the acid test will come no doubt.

I always thought that the Bead Breaker would have an easier motion but I must say that my Tyrepliers have always come through for me and work well.
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Reply By: Footloose - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:13

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:13
You're not too old
To break the bead
Especially with the Pliars
That doesnt mean that other brands
Are pushed by flamin liars

Each to his own and in the end
We're all applyin forces
No matter the brand thats in your hand
Its always horses for courses

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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:39

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:39
Very funny Footloose :o)
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Follow Up By: Member - Poppy (QLD) - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:53

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:53
Now here's a tale of Billy Hayes
from out near Alice Springs
A wild young ringer in his days
He done some crazy things

He jumped bulls over fences,
raced a colt up Ayers Rock
Said his legs weren't built for walking,
They were made for riding stock

and so on.... don't get me started or we could be here all night hehehehe

Cheers Poppy
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Reply By: duncs - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:17

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 21:17
Well in defence (? not sure that is the right word but I'm tired so it will have to do) of the R & R Bead braker. I have one and think it is a fine tool.

I have used it twice. The first occasion was to replace a tyre that destroyed itself, left me with two black rings on the wheel. These I removed and put on the replacement tyre myself. Must admit I worked up a sweat but the hole job took about 45 min including showing the R & R to a guy in the caravan park.

The other occasion was to repair a tyre on my sisters Astra mag wheel. I was a bit worried about this as in the past I have damaged a mag off the old Ducati(not using a R&R). Anyway the repair was successfully carried out in about 45min including the time to repair the puncture and drink two of the brother in laws beers. No damage to the mag. Wheeww!

You will notice that I have not bagged the Tyrepliers. I looked at both and liked the look of the R&R so that is what I bought. As D-Jack said above, the important thing is to have a tool that can do the job and know how to use it. And, as the old saying goes "practice makes perfect". Hope I never get perfect, I never want to do that much tyre changing.

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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 01:56

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 01:56
I have never used the tyrepliers, did once manage to get the tyre off the split rims with just two tyre levers and a lot of sweat :-).
However, getting older I thought there must be an easier way and decided to give one of these gadgets a try. The salesman convinced me that the beadbreaker is the better deal and, after having a good look at it, I bought it.

I got an old second hand split rim wheel from the wreckers, wanted to use the rim as a spare after refurbishing it. It had an old Chinese tyre on it, should be the right challenge for my new toy.

Well, I was not impressed, the instructions took several readings to get the meaning of them. Now I know why the salesman was pushing to sell me the video and the whole kit, but I already had the tyre levers and puncture kit and hardly would take a video player with me out bush.

So, I struggled with this bead breaker device, the Chinese beads seem to defeat it or perhaps something else was wrong. Anyway, the tool depressed the tyre wall allright but it would not slide under the rim as the instructions promised. It appears the narrow flat part that pushes on the tyre wall is a tad too narrow and just digs in.

Anyway, I hacksawed this 'slide' off and welded one 3 times as wide in its place. Surprise! the tool worked now as expected, sliding nicely under the rim and breaking the bead easily. It took about three placings on each side to get the Chinese rubber unstuck, it was *really* well sealed.

I tried the bead breaker on my spare wheel later on and its bead broke much more easily, I think this depends how much time had passed since it had been taken last off the rim shoulder.

I did contact the BB guy about my findings with the tool, he said I should have bought the video! If I can't work something out from written instructions they are a bit lacking, IMO.
He also mentioned that they make a 'heavy duty' model that has the wider sliding part. Why not fit it on all the models? Apparently I'm the only person ever having problems with the standard model.

I can only suggest that anybody with this tool gets a good grip of it before venturing out beyond the black stump, it could save precious minutes of drinkies time with a slick tyre repair :-)

Would I buy the tyre lever next time? dunno, I hope the BB sees me out.

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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 11:11

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 11:11
Hi Klaus,

Fair comment on the written instructions. They produce a DVD as well - now DVD players ARE going bush.

The little yellow tent at 4WD and Caravan and Camping shows, often near the ARB stand, is a good place to wander past and see the guy from R&R doing it over and over. He's really helpful too if you have any queries.

I've not seen a similar display for the tyrepliers.

The trick with tough ones seems to be to depress the bead each 45 degrees, and slosh soapy solution into each place you depress the bead.

You're also supposed to grease up the threaded spindle and washer prior to use, but I think that's pretty well covered in the written instructions.

Like you, I hope I don't have to use them too many times in the dusty bits of the country. I did okay and learnt a lot in my practice run in my garage, but it's not the sort of things I'd want to have to get good at.

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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 14:24

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 14:24
Ha Tim, that made me laugh, I hope you see the humour in your post.

Tyrepliers dont NEED a little yellow display tent!! or a manual, or a DVD!!

A simple explanation is ALL you need to start you practicing rippin tyres off!

I agree totally with 'to each their own', there is just no need to bag the other guy for buying something different.

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Reply By: Member - Darryl - Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 22:55

Sunday, Mar 20, 2005 at 22:55
Hi D-Jack,
i am considering purchasing a set of tyrepliers , can you confim if they damage alloy rims ,eg 7 x 16 as on my Jack.There are conflicting claims on this .

Thank you

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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 07:53

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 07:53

Sorry mate can't confirm that. I would imagine there would be no problems unless the tyre had been on the rim for many years and the bead had never been broken. Mine has been on the Jacks steelie for 3 years without a break and no problem - no way the force I used would have damaged an alloy. However, tyres have been down to low pressures a lot (15 mostly on sand, had them down to 8 once before when really stuck in middle of nowhere (Yalata Beach - not peak season!) This may have loosened the beads. As someone said, if you get a flattie then driving sensible on it for a few metres will probably break or loosen the bead anyway.

Maybe when you have your tyres rotated/balanced every 10000 or so, get the tyre place to break the bead and refit. Will take them almost no extra time at all and bead will break with tyrepliers no problems and no damage to alloy I 'm sure.

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 07:50

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 07:50
I have owned a Tyreplyers Kit for some 3 years and they have certainly worked for me. Not one puncture yet so I haven't even taken them out of the kanvas bag.

Hope they keep doing their job!

Seriously though, I don't really think it matters which type one has. Bugger this "mine is better than yours thing". Who really cares if it take 19 seconds more with brand Y than if you had brand X.
As long as either does the job for which they were designed and gets you "back on the road" you're on a winner.


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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 07:57

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 07:57

I only gave this threat the flavour you're referring to because of my previous post when I asked for help getting a tyre off the rim (once bread was broken), and just mentioned that I had used tyrepliers to break the bead.

The result was an influx of responses saying things like "I don't know why you would waste your time with tyrepliers" and "You should have got the breadbreaker, they work much better" I got a little weed off and so this thread is dedicated to all those who posted a response in that flavour.

In essence, I completely agree with you. I'm not trying to justify my purchase, just thank those people who kindly replied to my previous thread in such a manner!!

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Reply By: Rod W - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 10:18

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 10:18
Have an R&R bead breaker, it works for me and quite comfortable in its operation and use.

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Reply By: MrBitchi - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 10:44

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 10:44
This is the best bead breaker I've ever come across. On the Pajero I just use the jack positioned under the standard tow hitch :-))
Much less effort required than either of the others.

Simple bead breaker

Cheers, John.
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Follow Up By: bundyman - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 11:28

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 11:28
Nifty idea that tool. But at the end of the day it all depends on how long the tyre has been on the rim. I had a tyre that had been on its split rim for approx 4 years and had never been off. Well when I finally got a puncture in one I tried the highlift jack under the bulbar to no avail (only lifted the cruiser sky high, drove over it, did everthing). Went to the local tyre place when I got back to ask if they could use their big hydraulic machine to break the bead. "Yep no worries mate". Well 20minutes and a hell of a lot of cursing and swearing latter he finally got it off, using every tool and machine in the shop. It had simply rusted onto the rim.

So all I can say is when ever a tyre comes off the rim ensure that:
1. the rim is not rusting (paint if necessary) and
2 ensure that plenty of rubber grease is applied to the bead to prevent further rusting and binding of the rubber to the rim.

Works for me....

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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 13:06

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 13:06
Mr Bitchi

Yel, looks like a good idea. But you can't tell me that it is much less effort required than to take off the tow hitch, insert the square tubing, get out the jack from the hideaway (may include unloading the rear cargo), wind up the jack, break the bead, wind down the bead, then wind it up again to break another section if neccessary, then wind it down, then turn over the wheel and repeat the process on the other side, then wind down the jack,, put it away, put away the rear cargo, take out the tool from the tow hitch and re-insert the original. That's assuming your jack isn't under the car already holding it up to get the tyre on and off! Compare that to taking the tyreplier out from its canvas case, breaking both beads and putting it back in its canvas cover. It's a good home made tool you've shown us but to say it requires less effort I can't really agree with!!

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Follow Up By: MrBitchi - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 14:14

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 14:14
1. Personally I just position the jack under the standard Pajero tow hitch (as stated) I don't remove the hitch.
2. Take the Tyrepliers out of their canvas case, after removing it from it's hideaway (may include unloading the rear cargo) break the bead, then reposition the tool to break another section (always necessary), then work your way around the tyre, gradually working the bead off the safety rim, (cursing in 40 degree heat, tyrepliers slip and cut the sidewall :--(( ) then turn over the wheel and repeat the process on the other side. :--p

I have a set of tyrepliers, just wish I'd found the other method before I wasted my money.

Less effort? Yes, much less. The hydraulic jack is doing all the work.
Try it one day and you'll see.

In that situation neither Tyrepliers nor Beadbreaker would have helped, although I'd lay odds you would have cut the sidewall attempting to get it off with Tyrepliers.

If you're planning a trip, take your car into your local tyre dealer before you go and get him to re-seat all your tyres on their rims before you go. Get a balance and alignment at the same time. That way, if you have to get a tyre off the rim you'll know it's not stuck on with years of rust.

Cheers, John.

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Reply By: Moose - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 14:32

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 14:32
D-Jack. I too own tyre pliers and have always managed to break the bead with them. I reckon you had a bloody easy tyre there buddy. Wait till you get an old rusty split rim to work on - then you'll find out that it takes a bit longer than your world record effort. But they do eventually get the job done. I think that in those really tough jobs the "other" tool comes into its own because it doesn't involve much effort.
Re your query on getting the repair checked - what did you do to it? If you've used one of those proper plugs then should be OK. Can't think of their name now - they have a large round flat end with a long tapered plug coming from the middle. If you only used one of the "string" type ones may be best to get it checked. The few times I've used them I haven't had a lot of success. If you put in a tube and it's a tubeless tyre may be best to get it fixed properly and remove tube.
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 00:57

Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 00:57

Point taken about the status of the rim - I agree, mine was pretty easy, but I don't intent on carrying any really old, rusty rims at all.

The Puncture, as I mentioned, was a small hole caused by a small screw. The screw was still in the tyre, so was only leaking slowly (2psi per week).

I only fitted a small round rubber patch to the hole, and it seems to have done the job perfectly. I spoke to a bloke at Bridgestone today, he said they can only legally repair a hole that is 6mm or less at its longest diameter, because of the damage that could have been done to the steel which could also rust and be compromised later resulting in a blowout. He also said that for a small puncture like a nail or screw hole, a small flat patch should be fine, and given that I shouldn't have the tyres for much longer he said it would be OK. I must say though, when I get my new set of whatever they are, any punctures big or small will go to the tyre place to get professionally repaired.

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Reply By: Baldrick - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 15:59

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 15:59
The Tyrepliers are a great tool but some rims may defeat them. Modern land Rover alloys have a second lip inside the bead which stops the tyre coming off the rim in the event of a blowout at speed. I bought a set of Tyrepliers and the slaesman assured me they would work on these rims. Not so.

Haven't tried R&R.

I now just carry two steel spares and a tubeless repair kit.
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Reply By: Member - Johnno - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 17:00

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 17:00
Hi D Jack

Breaking a bead is the hardest part. All beadbreaker tools seem to do that well enough. I have always used my highlift/kangaroo jack by inserting the tongue into the hayman Reese style towing socket and placing the foot of the jack onto tyre bead. A few lever movements and the bead is popped. The rest is easy with levers,rubber mallet and soapy water.
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Reply By: vuduguru - Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 18:40

Monday, Mar 21, 2005 at 18:40
With deference to the aplication of this type of tool, and at risk of startig a flame war, wouldn't a can of tyreweld and 2 spares be just as usefull?.... Call me lazy but in the case of a puncture by screw my flat would be reinflated before yours was of the rim.
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 00:51

Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 00:51
Good point Vudoguru (what the hell does that mean???!!!)

I guess it is just good to know that if you or a member of your party was unlucky enough to get a couple of punctures or more, you can possibly make repairs enough to get you to the next town.

I personally carry 1 spare (on the rear door of the Jack) and a carcass on the roof (because I am worried that the rating of the Jack's roof rack points wont hold - I think they have been downgraded to 25kg each after were at 50kgs (probably because of a mishap by someone with 200kg on the roof)

Plus the empty carcass is easier to put up and down than a full weight steelie.

I wouldn't repair a screw puncure in the bush unless I absolutely had to. It was only losing about 2psi per week but I was more interested in testing the tyrepliers and sussing out the repair techniques.

Point taken though, but remember you could always do 3 tyres on one trip and at least you have a chance with a repair kit.

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Follow Up By: vuduguru - Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 05:09

Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 05:09
Thanks for your reply D-Jack. Vuduguru... vague reference to my company name and profession... corporate computer network engineer. Largely I agree with the points stated. Admittedly I usually carry only one spare... running Coopers now, no flats in 40k. Replaced the standard issue GrandTreks.. 3 holes in 30k, so a fair degree of confidence in the rubber. Planning a desert trip later this year and I might encourage one of the "party" to purchase tyre changing equipment. Not only lazy but tight ;).

By the way the last flat on the GT's was in town, VIC High Country, slow leak, found the flat after returning from lunch. Pumped tyre with borrowed compressor, drove to servo, purchased Tyreweld and "repaired" tyre, drove slowly to next servo a inflated to correct pressure. Returned to camp at Tom Groggin and later home (Sydney) no problem. Promptly replaced GT's with Coopers. GT' s are in garage now on original rims... noticed the other day that this tyre had since de-inflated! 'was pleased, however at my improvisation. Keep Tyreweld in car now.
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Reply By: MichaelR - Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 23:35

Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005 at 23:35
Was in Oddnadatta a couple of years ago fuelling up at the Pink Roadhouse when a passing fellow traveller noticed my rear tyre looking decidedly depressed. The Roadhouse couldn't help change it and I wasn't keen to do it all myself despite the Beadbreaker (just call it laziness). Anyway I was directed next door to the rival establishment with slightly cheaper diesel-darn. No-one home but doors open. A few tyre levers lying around but no bead breaker. Eventually owner turned up. Had been down the tip to get a new part for his telly. Explained problem and how exactly did he intend getting the tyre off the rim? With this he explained, holding up a piece of 50x50 angle iron about 50 mm long. And this he said holding up a fair sized mallet. (equivalent to the back of an axe). Rest the angle iron against the rim resting with the angle up on the tyre, stand on the opposite side of the tyre, give 2-3 solid whacks on the angle iron, move it around the tyre 45 degrees, repeat and repeat a few times. The tyre falls off the rim (except for the Land Rover RR & Disco). I have used this a few times since. Not so pleased to have spent quite a bit buying the Beadbreaker although this works well and has the advantges over the Tyre pliers of being able to help put the tyre back on the rim with minimal damage and also can be used at waist height.
Still much lighter to carry a 2inch bit of angle iron...
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