Towing 3+ tonne

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00
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Can someone please tell me what vehicles in Aus will legaly tow more than 3 tonne off-road. And carry 3 people (2 adults & 1 baby) and a small dog.
I know about the following,

Landcruiser >1995
Defender 130
GU Patrol
OKA
Canter
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Reply By: Bob- Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00
Kiwi,
I suggest you choose a vehicle that you like and check with the manufacturer as to its legal towing capacity. My strong recommendation would be the Landcruiser .... and most definitely avoid any of the Landrover range - far too unreliable.
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Follow Up By: Mudgutz - Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002 at 00:00
this is not correct.......a landcruiser is good for three ton only and thats with trailer brakes .......and 950 kgs without brakes.........but i wouldnt like to tow the full three tons with mine......
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Reply By: Slunnie - Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00
Don't forget the Disco. Offroad towig 3t is a different story though. I don't know if you will find 3t capacity for off-road towing in a wagon. Regards Slunnie
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Follow Up By: Peter - Thursday, Oct 24, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Oct 24, 2002 at 00:00
if its a disco make sure its a series 2 . series one has a ball weight of 150k only the series 2 has 240k regards peter
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Reply By: Eric - Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00
Kiwoka.
The legal reqiurement in aus is that the towing vehicle must be heavier than the trailer. This eliminates most common 4x4s, the reality is that if you try to tow over sand you realy nead the towing vehicle to be twice the weight of the trailer.This has been a problem for me in my work for years.
The canter or isuzu are realy the only choice.If you go that way you can transfer a lot of the items from the trailer on to the truck and improve you of road chances. most agree that the canter has a better dif lock than the isusu.
Eric
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Follow Up By: Pussyperfection - Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00
i gotta agree with eric here. 3+ ton off road is very heavy, from experience the way to go is the canter. just carry plenty of fuel, your gonna need it!!!
rick.
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00
Why would you need to tow 3T???

What are you towing is my question.

As others have said, I think you are going to have problems. Maybe an Old BUS converted into a camper??

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Reply By: ken d - Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Oct 20, 2002 at 00:00
Ahhhh, a Canter. I hope I don't offend anybody but they are shocking for anything serious off road. Have a looked at the travel avaliable on the front axle. Bump stops seem to do most of the suspension work. Check the GCM and I think you will find that they can't tow 3 tonne anyway. The one's we had at work a few years ago I know for sure couldn't do it legally. We did tow 3.5 tonne trailers with larger trucks, and it's still a big ask off road. You need a lot of pull. By the way if you do need to pull that sort of weight, think about a trailer with a front turntable axle. A bugger to reverse but it removes the weight from the draw bar, and because the axles are at each end, approach and exit angles are much better. Also the wheels follow in the towing vehicles tracks.. -Good Luck- Ken.
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Reply By: gray - Monday, Oct 21, 2002 at 00:00

Monday, Oct 21, 2002 at 00:00
hiya, I'm sure you'll find that the run of the mill l/c, patr etc, by the time you fuel it add some gear + bodies you wont see 3 ton left to the GCM,
not saying they can't do it but the law would look at differently. NSW
works on % of GVM. Posibility an F250??
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Reply By: tony b - Monday, Oct 21, 2002 at 00:00

Monday, Oct 21, 2002 at 00:00
I own two canters both diesel duelcabs one a 4x4 (for play) and one a 2x4 tipper (for work) . The 4x4 has a tare wt of 3.4 tonne with tray 2 spare tyres bullbar 250 ltr fueltank 180 ltr water tank (empty) fitted under truck . It has a combind gross gvm (whitch includes trailer) of 8 tonne so it can and will easly pull your trailer . As for fuel ecomony they are no speed machines but will sit on 95 to 100 kph and return about 15 dollars per 100km. As for the ride my wife thinks it hits hard on landing after cattle grids. It is no BMW but then again how many BMW's have you seen up Birdsville or Cape York way. I've been all over oz in it (snowy mtns to the gulf track) and my only real bug is lack of top speed on the highway, but being a 7 seater with room for a esky and camping gear theres always tommorow.
cheers Tony
ps And they realy are unbreakable
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Follow Up By: Kiwoka - Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002 at 00:00
Tony. Can you tell me what the off-road ability of the canter is like? Many people have been telling me that they are not very good off-road and are realy just for dirt tracks. Some people have gone so far as to say they get bogged if moist ground. What is your opinion?
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Reply By: P.G. (Tas) - Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002 at 00:00
G'day all. There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about towing weights. I have been told today that a "national" set of rules were introduced in January 2000. The guts of it are, if the vehicle manufacturer does not specify a GCM (gross combined mass, truck+trailer) then the trailer weight must not exceed 1.5 time the tow vehicle weight. This usually occures with older vehicles. My 100 series L/C is rated at 3021kg GVM (total vehicle mass) + 3500kg trailer weight, for a total of 6521kg (GCM). All the above weights assume that EFFECTIVE trailer brakes are fitted. The tow hitch is rated at 3500kg with a 350kg ball load and THIS is the key, BALL WEIGHT! Many tow hitches have high towing capacity but the ball weight is far less than the 10% of the trailer weight required for stable towing, making towing heavy trailers ILLEGAL! eg. My previous Prado's towbar was rated to pull 2500kg, but maximum ball weight was only 120kg, effectively restricting me to towing no more than 1200kg! These figures vary from towbar manufacturer to manufacturer, so it really pays to check your own setup. NOTE, exceeding Tow Ball Weight may result in refusal to pay a claim in the event of an accident!!! Hope this helps. Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Peter - Thursday, Oct 24, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Oct 24, 2002 at 00:00
spot on - found out the hard way - land rover assured me that my disco would tow my van and being new at it believed them only to find out what you state to be true and needed to sell my disco 1999 series 1 for a massive loss . land rover australia advised me to either sell my van or get a new car - i have - a new pajero exceed diesel and its great . the loss was extensive but now i can rely on my policy covering you if need be. regards peter
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Follow Up By: Peter - Thursday, Oct 24, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Oct 24, 2002 at 00:00
spot on - found out the hard way - land rover assured me that my disco would tow my van and being new at it believed them only to find out what you state to be true and needed to sell my disco 1999 series 1 for a massive loss . land rover australia advised me to either sell my van or get a new car - i have - a new pajero exceed diesel and its great . the loss was extensive but now i can rely on my policy covering you if need be. regards peter
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Reply By: tony b - Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002 at 00:00
Honestly there not for the hardcore 4wdriver they are a bit heavy in the front in deep mud (position heavy load over rear axel has helped) . But being duel wheels on rear at right presure for conditions it will go most places any 4x4 will go. One let down is the tight track with the canters turning circle not the best in the 4x4 models they are the best water crossing 4x4 you will find with the weight to hold you there and the height to easily cross all crossings ( ive even had to tow a stranded hilux a cross the diamantina river out sideWindorah qld. The long wheel base seems to cause a few bottem outs over real rough ground but on awhole ive pulled out far more 4x4 than ive been pulled there not going to win the 4x4 challenge but with a missus and yong one sharing the office how feral can you go i would rate mine as this
4x4 7 out 10 econ 7-10
comfort 6 - 10 on tar highway 4-10
reliable 10-10 space in cab & tray 10-10
towing or big load 9-10
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