Why is the 80 better than the 100 series?

Submitted: Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:20
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After reading on these forums it seems like the ideal towing vehicle is the Toyota 80 series but why is it better than the 100 series? Also which is better the injection or the turbo (or are they one of the same??? sorry not very technical minded just searching whilst hubbie is out!)

Any points of view would be appreciated.

Sasha (Mrs Homeboy)
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Reply By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:37

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:37
Hi Sasha...

We've owned both 80 series and 100 series, and for towing Alan [Mr. Al] in his opinion says a100 series TD 5 speed auto is ideal - our previous cruiser was an 80 series petrol/gas manual - both are great vehicles, but Al has found for towing the van the 100 to be better - other's may disagree.....

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Lyn
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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:51

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:51
Hi Lyn

Thanks for that. I wonder if it is more down to having a turbo diesel rather than what series it actually is?????

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:49

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:49
Uuummmm! because the 80 series doesn't look like one of those breadmakers!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:52

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:52
LOL Michael you obviously don't like breadmakers then!

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Reply By: japmel - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:49

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:49
Sasha,
We have a 100 series turbo diesel 5 speed automatic, And I have to say it is the better tow vehicle.

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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:53

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 19:53
Hi Japmel thanks for the answer

Can I ask which other vehicles you have used for towing and why you think the 100 tops them all?

Sasha
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Follow Up By: japmel - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:17

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:17
Yep,
75 series manual
80 series diesel 4 speed auto
Various other 2 wheel drives,
100 series turbo diesel 5 speed auto,

The turbo has lots more power and the 5 speed auto changes very smooth.
I tow a Supreme Getaway off road Caravan 1,500kg and the Crusier hardly knows it's there.

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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:23

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:23
Thanks again Japmel

Can I also ask you what you think of the Supreme Getaway caravan especially it's off road capabilities? How long is your caravan? We've been looking at a Bushtracker but then they are a lot heavier, I did look at the Supreme website after a recommendations on here and they do look a nice caravan.

Sorry for all the questions we're still trying to make our minds up!

Sasha
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Follow Up By: japmel - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:52

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:52
Our Supreme getaway is 13ft long and suits us just fine as we are into prospecting for gold and some of the places we go are fairly remote and hard to get to.

Having said that if I had the money I would be looking very hard at a Bushtracker of about the same length ( some tracks are a bit narrow and twisty)

I notice from one of your previous posts that you have a couple of kids,
For that reason I would be looking at at least a 16ft Caravan.

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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 21:00

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 21:00
Thanks Japmel

Good luck with your gold prospecting I hope you have a good find soon enough so you can get a bushtracker.

Yeap we do have two little kids and we had been looking at a 20ft caravan due to this reason.

Sasha
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Follow Up By: japmel - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 21:13

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 21:13
Sasha,

I know you are doing your research and that is a very good thing,

Can I just say that haveing been to England I can safely say that Australia is a whole lot bigger and there is some very very long distances between towns or for that matter houses.

Please be prepared carry plenty of water as it gets bloody hot here
and it can be a long way between water holes as well.

Hope you have a great trip. Keep us informed when you get here.

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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 02:29

Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 02:29
Hi Japmel

Roy keeps telling me that I can only imagine about some of the distances between places as he said in some places when there is nothing but dessert around you and the road goes as far as the eye can see can get a bit daunting as you start to wonder if you will ever make it to anywhere.

Still with help of this site and careful planning we hope it will be a great trip and one both us and our children will always remember for the right reasons. I've heard so many stories from Friends out in Australia where a little planning would of helped so many people and several of them that travel around Australia for a living carry extra water purely to give to unprepared travellers.

Very wise advice you are offering so thanks ;)

Sasha

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Reply By: Patrolman Pat - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:34

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:34
Not an expert on Landcruisers, Homeboy (or much else for that matter). Most seem to like the solid axle on some 80 series as being stronger than IFS, from what you are planning to do I don't think it would make much difference. Turbo diesel would be the way to go for towing though IMO.
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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:39

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:39
Thanks for that Patrolman Pat I'll be showing Mr Homeboy all these comments when he comes home and I'm sure he will apreciate them.

At least we have got it down to turbo diesel being the way to go. Do you have any preference on manual or automatic? as I have read some people prefer the manual to get the power when needed but then others have found that by having an automatic it has helped them to glide through some tough spots.

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Follow Up By: Patrolman Pat - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:43

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:43
I don't do any towing but a mate of mine pulls a 24" caravan with a 3.0 auto TD Patrol. He's been all over Oz with this rig with no probs. I love my auto, it works real well with a turbo diesel IMO, easy to drive on and off road. There's a fair chance you'll be doing some city driving on your trip, an auto makes it so much easier in stop start traffic.
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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:50

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 20:50
Thanks again for the reply

Have to say it we had an auto before and just for plain driving around it was so much easier when you don't the area very well.

Sasha
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Reply By: desert - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 21:05

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 21:05
The best towing rig on the market at present is the Ford F250 turbo diesel, intercooled. But it's a BIG bugger and not user freindly for city work.
2nd runner up would be the 100 series turbo diesel auto with aftermarket intercooler.
3rd would be the above minus the intercooler. Auto's are easier for stop start traffic and shuffling a van into tight spots.
Manuals are more economical to run AND service AND purchase, provided you do not abuse the clutch!
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Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 21:29

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 21:29
Sasha,

Way off the line response, but it doesn't have to be a Patrol or Cruiser. Not sure how much you are planning to spend, but for the cost of a second hand one of each you could get yourself into something else new.

I'll only give you advice on what I drive and it is an Hyundai Terracan. Mine is a petrol and I understand your preference for diesel for touring range. The new (to Australia) diesel has power and torque that is almost identical to the 3 litre Patrol (a little bit more power and a little less torque). and you can get into a new one for a bit over $40 large, including a 5 year warranty (you'd be able to sell it with 4 years warranty left). It needs the "Trek and Tow" package from the dealer for $2000 or an aftermarket suspension supplier for about $900. Rated to tow 2500 kg.

The Pajero diesel as I understand it another fine option.

Good luck and enjoy our fine country. You'll probably get to see more of it than I have.

Jim.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 22:32

Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 at 22:32
Sasha, am a Patrol driver but I do observe what some 100 series drivers where front independent suspension is involved who tell of cracks. I note that Big Kidz ( a member family on here ) have a picture of where cracks have been involved but there are after market kits made to try to counter the problem. The photo is their rig pic.

Then there are breakages too of the 100 series front differentials. Please don't ask how many, but there are some easy breaks and rules of what you shouldn't do with them.

Problem is with the 80 series they are second hand now and you don't know if you are getting a good one. For little offroad work a 100 may not be too bad, but one guy spend $12,000 on recovering his after a front suspension break, it has been quoted.

Some suggest other makes, but when you get to remote areas it is best to stick to the solid brands for reliability and support for getting parts. The better brands tend to have really solid drive trains when it comes to pulling a van too ( front diffs aside ).

Boils down to diesel second hand 80, new 100 or if going for a GU Patrol a 4.2 TDI for preference.
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Reply By: muzzgit (WA) - Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 00:42

Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 00:42
From what I've heard, its only cruisers that have done extensive offroad work that have had suspension cracks, and most of them (not all of them) have had aftermarket suspension upgrades. For simply towing around OZ with a little bit of offroad, I don't think you could go past the auto TD 100 cruiser. Simply for power and comfort.

P.S I'm a patrol owner.

Last year we were down south 1 x GU 3.0 auto 1 x 80 series diesel, we came across two 100 series V8 with IFS that handled all the tracks we were on with no problems at all.
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Reply By: Homeboy - Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 02:21

Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 02:21
Thank you for all your replies much appreciated.

I should add we are actually looking at this tour as a way of having a look around what will be our new home as we are selling up and migrating out to Australia for good at the end of this month.

So the vehicle we buy would be for a good while not just for the initial tour so we don't mind spending a bit of cash on something that will last us a good while and more importantly would grow into our future needs. We quite like the suggestions on here of buying one of the camper trailers for weekends away or joining up with some of you for the odd trips off road later on. Just think that buying a camper trailer now wouldn't suit our needs initially.

Thanks again for all your comments all really appreciated as there is a lot to think about. Hopefully we will finally get to meet some of you very soon.

Sasha
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Reply By: Member Eric - Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 08:10

Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 08:10
in my opinion' who ever says' the 80 is better than the 100 , is afraid of change lol.

The 100 is a much better vehicle when it comes to upgraded electrics , even the fuel injection system on the petrol is far better. Yes Live axle is better than IFS , but there are 100 series live axle vehicles available .

Also try contacting Mr & Ms Al on this sight . As I recal you were after a good Caravan. They from memory had one for sale that had a ton of work and accesories fitted to it .
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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 08:19

Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 08:19
Thanks Eric I was wondering if the IFS was such a problem why Toyota hadn't gone back to using live axles, so if there are a few 100's with the live axle it may solve the dilema!

I have been chatting to Mr and Mrs Al and Lyn is helped me out loads already :o)

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Reply By: early2 - Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 15:57

Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 15:57
having had both the 80 series and 100 series - ours is a 2001 model RV normally aspirated (non-turbo), you can not beat the 100 for comfort and for eating up the kms.

Toyota's still have the best build quality inside and out, = less squeaks and rattles.

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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 16:21

Monday, Apr 11, 2005 at 16:21
Thanks Early2 we have certainly now been looking at the 100 series after everyone's comments on here.

Sasha
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 09:21

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 09:21
I know I'm late but have a read of the latest 4wd monthly. If you want a city car go for the 100 series. If you want bushability then go for the 80. Toyota have gone soft with the new model.
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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 16:09

Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005 at 16:09
Thanks Gossy better late than never ;o)

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 00:52

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 00:52
100 series are too wide and heavy for series off road work For work we would use 75 series utes they are much narrower and tougher in the panels. When the bosses would come out for a look in the 100s it would always result in 000s of dollars in panel damage without even getting anywhere near where the utes go. Having said that I am talking of straight bushbashing where no sane person would take their own vehicle. Biggest difference beteen 80 and 100 is weight either will be perfect for what you want
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Follow Up By: Homeboy - Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 06:29

Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005 at 06:29
Thanks Davoe another view to consider for us much appreciated.

Sasha

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