Fuel Prices

Submitted: Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 10:19
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I received an e-mail the other day regarding fuel prices.
It is expected that the fuel companies will want to charge $1.35 per ltr by mid winter but what is suggested I believe that it came from the union movement was that we boycot the two major fuel companies in Australia ie BP and Mobile for a period till they are forced to drop their prices. When this occures the other fuel companies will soon follow. But every body must stick together. The only problem I see is that most of the fuel used in W.A. comes from the BP refinery in Kwinana
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 11:12

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 11:12
The other problem is that fuel sales here are but a drop in the ocean for the multinationals, they couldn't care less if we buy their fuel or not... (The following are words from a mate who is relatively high up with Shell)"In reality, you should be thankful we bothered putting service stations here in the first place".
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Reply By: Exploder - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 11:58

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 11:58
Are you talking metro prices?

Personally I wouldn’t be too concerned I hear sh#t like that all the time.
Remember during the Iraq war we were all told that fuel was going to hit $1.30 per Ltr or something and it never happened.

Half the time it’s just the media as they have nothing else to report on they had better make up some bullsh#t about fuel going up 30cent’s in the next 2 months even know there is only .001% chance of this actually occurring.

Just like everything else they tell us it’s poorly researched and you only get half the story.

WARNING= certain figures and comment’s may not be correct as I am just rambling.
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Follow Up By: KiwiAngler - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 17:03

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 17:03
Diesel is at $1.21 in Sydney today...how close to " $1.30 or something" do you want to get before the sh#t turns to reality?
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 19:34

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 19:34
Um yeah that’s diesel from what I gathered he was referring to ULP.

It would not surprise me if diesel hit $1.30 ether and for a product like diesel that takes very little refining someone should ask WTF is it so expensive?

Remember back in 1998 when fuel was like 80cents per ltr. Could the human brain even comprehend paying that price again? You would be getting change from $100 imagine that!!

If ULP goes up 30cent’s in the next 3 months I will start supporting the allblacks!
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 20:46

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 20:46
On the grape vine from Shell I also hear that diesel has been jacked up to subsidise ULP... Of course I can't offer anything to substanciate that, just what I heard
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Follow Up By: old-plodder - Monday, Apr 25, 2005 at 14:44

Monday, Apr 25, 2005 at 14:44
I can remember paying 49c a gallon, or about 11c a litre, but then I used to get $32.00 a week in cash as an apprentice. Used to get 20c worth (minium pump then) to get me home :-).
Playing remember when isn't really a valid argument since some one will always 'out remember' you.
The point is how much does it hurt now. If fuel gets to the point that you save up for a month to do a 200k trip, then it is expensive.
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Reply By: marcus - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:04

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:04
Well from another perspective am currently holidaying in Bali where the locals are screaming that fuel has jumped from 24c per litre to 32c/litre.Obviously not much govt tax in this price which is also why the roads etc have minimum upkeep and they still choose to have service stations here.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 22:45

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 22:45
Basically, the "guy from Shell" is correct. If folks stopped buying fuel in "Oz", the oil companies would tanker it to Singapore & easily flog it to anyone that was willing to pay the price. After doing that fer a while, and we still didn't buy it, they would then attempt to shut down all the refineries in "Oz" - 'cos they can refine it cheaper in other countries - and then flog it through Singapore again.

However, by then the Federal Govt would have stepped in............

I'm an ex- BP Kwinana guy myself.

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Sunday, Apr 24, 2005 at 01:27

Sunday, Apr 24, 2005 at 01:27
And at the same time they shut down the refinery’s we can tell Chevron Texaco, Mobil exon to get the hell of owe gas and oil fields. that will fu*k em up a bit more.
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Reply By: Pezza - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 22:48

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 22:48
Hi Ray,

I believe the boycotting thing is a good idea though I suspect I may be in the minority going by responses to post 19816.

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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Apr 25, 2005 at 16:06

Monday, Apr 25, 2005 at 16:06
Pezza, Im with you.... it takes nothing to bypass BP and Mobil and It could just do something. The object here is to imbalance the field a little...Plus those who whinge and whine & knock ideas really are just showing their frustration with our fuel pricing policies... & who would blame them. Actions have always spoken louder than words and what has anyone got to loose by trying this? Look at what happened at Eureka... that worked after the public in general actually were appraised of the facts... Therein lies the problem, our politicians do nothing but lie to us & we accept their lies simply because we know they Lie...and even when you do get the goods on em they still try and lie there way out...now as proof... the barrel prices have fallen but the pump prices are rising...HOW COME?
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Reply By: early2 - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 23:28

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 23:28
i wish biodiesel was up and readily available today i am over paying $1.40c a litre.

quote from UWA website
"Renewable fuels like biodiesel are a much more sustainable source of fuel and have the potential to greatly reduce our reliance on expensive imported oil, leading to the creation of local jobs and the improvement in trade deficit. There is the potential to produce the entire of WA diesel needs (some billions of dollars per year) in Kununurra using African Oil Palm or plantations of oil tree crops in the wheat belt. This could create a whole new industry, locally owned and run, and employ thousands of farmers and related industries people in WA. It may even offer some benefit with regard to salinity problems"

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Follow Up By: early2 - Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 23:32

Saturday, Apr 23, 2005 at 23:32
oh yeah and the federal govt already makes over 13 billon dollars a year in fuel excise so i guess they'd love us to keep consuming fossil fuels and energy.
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Reply By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Apr 25, 2005 at 16:08

Monday, Apr 25, 2005 at 16:08
it takes nothing to bypass BP and Mobil and It could just do something. The object here is to imbalance the field a little...Plus those who whinge and whine & knock ideas really are just showing their frustration with our fuel pricing policies... & who would blame them. Actions have always spoken louder than words and what has anyone got to loose by trying this? Look at what happened at Eureka... that worked after the public in general actually were appraised of the facts... Therein lies the problem, our politicians do nothing but lie to us & we accept their lies simply because we know they Lie...and even when you do get the goods on em they still try and lie there way out...now as proof... the barrel prices have fallen but the pump prices are rising...HOW COME? What have we got to loose by trying this????
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Reply By: pjchris - Monday, Apr 25, 2005 at 23:46

Monday, Apr 25, 2005 at 23:46
Don't boycott BP and Mobil...They are NOT the two largest oil compnies in Oz..

Bp maybe but the largest oil company in Oz is Shell. And Caltex/Safeway/Woolworths is giving BP a run for it's money too.

However...Boycotts generally don't work in Oz due to the low number of refineries. About 80% of the fuel we buy in Victoria comes from the Shell refinery. They supply Shell, BP, and Caltex outlets I believe...Probably more...In other states similar arrangements apply.

See here for an explanation of why Fuel boycotts don't work. An excerpt is below.

Quote:Oil companies can manipulate their prices somewhat by controlling how much gasoline they produce and where they sell it, but they can't alter the basics of supply and demand: prices go up when people buy more of a good, and they go down when people buy less of a good. The "gas out" schemes that propose simply shunning one or two specific brands of gasoline won't work, however, because it's based on the misconception that an oil company's only outlet for gasoline is its own branded service stations. That isn't the case — gasoline is a fungible commodity, so if one oil company's product isn't being bought up in one particular market or outlet, it will simply sell its output to other companies:
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If you want to apply pressure to the oil companies over the price of fuel simply buy less. That is the ONLY thing they understand...

If you generally want to express displeasure...contact your local Federal/State MP..

A quick check on the Shell price page shows that at a price of 105.5cpl 47cpl is Government TAX! Remove that and prices will almost halve!

Peter
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