Help with tyres - MTRs

D-Jack,

Have MTR's (235.85R16's) fitted to work ute, 79 series turbo, and have had just over 50K out of them. On the second set now. Good in the wet, don't think I've used chains since had the MTR's on. Don't really notice the noise on bitumen, because run the air most of time, and the radio on.

Have had a couple of runs with flats, but most of time have put this down to the cheap tubes, or nails, or bits of wire. Running them on std split rims. Michelin tubes might remedy the tube problem.

Run on some rough roads, and also off-road, running fences, or mustering etc, so they have a hard life. Haven't noticed any bad chipping.

Reckon they're a good tyre, can't compare them with Mud Terrain, as only had those tyres on a bloody hilux.

Hooroo...

I've had mine for 5000kms, nearly all bitumen unfortunately. Not noisy at all IMO although I do have the radio on pretty loud usually anyway, can't listen to Pearl Jam quietly. No problems with handling in the dry, hasn't rained in SA since I put them on so can't comment there. Did a few tracks in the high country last week, nothing too dratsic but I was waiting for a bit of wheel spin on a few occaisions at none at all, thery just gripped and kept going. Done one short sandy track and sailed through no problem at highway pressures. So far I have to say they are great. Mine were $247 fitted 265/75R16.

Beaurepaires had them on special at the Adelaide camping and 4Wd show.

1) Only had them for 10k so far
2) Went from 29.5in BFG A/t to 31in MT/R so it has increased a little but I would imagine this is due to size more than pattern.
3) Haven't used them in sand yet. Better in mud than BFG A/T as you would imagine but I bought these for rock not mud where they are fantastic. Although these are my first mud type tyre so can't compare with others.
4) Noisier than my BFG A/Ts but not noticable with the windows up and that is in a Rodeo with no sound deadening. They do hum with the windows down but not annoyingly so.
5) No better or worse than my BFG A/Ts. Haven't scared me yet.
6) In comparison to my BFG A/Ts they are very strong. The BFG were strong too (no punctures ever) but they looked terrible with scaring etc when you used them in rocks. Lost a couple of lugs too. The MT/Rs on the other hand still look new even after a few good floggings on rocky tracks. Very impressed.
7) Haven't had BFG muds only the A/Ts.

I'd go for the MT/Rs again.

1. Only Done about 2000k on them - I use them for offroad only.
2. Haven't noticed any. Should increase a liitle bit.
3. Good - going to simpson in July with them.
4. A liitle bit of increase but nothing to worry about.
5. Handling is very good - dry/good - wet
6. Excellent - used them in High Country on rocky stuff couple of times and
no problems.
7. They look very similar, but I haven't tried BFG Muddies...

Have used (gone through sets of) MTRs BFG Muddies and am trialling Bridgestone Dueler 693 MTs. - sorry to throw a cat amongst the pigeons but I really like the Bridgies. Great in mud and sand and good roadholding and don’t feel or sound like they are wearing out when you corner hard - - very direct on the bitumen and so far indestructible.

MTRs on GU Patrol - wore fast - much faster than BFGs and so far the Bridgestone looks to last even longer. After 40,000ks not a lot left of the MTR (however some get good miles out of them)-
MYRs chipped badly on rock and spinning up hills. Mind you we are hard on them and the GU is heavy. (BFGs chipped less than the MTR and so far only a few cuts in the Duelers)

MTRs are the best for side wall strength but have also had an excellent run on BFGs in places like Emu Creek Extreme Retreat - which is ALL sharp rock.
Haven’t tested the Duelers in the really sharp rock yet so I don’t know.

Not as good in mud as BFGs and Bridgestone MTs (In order of self clearing Bridgestone’s clear mud the best next BFG then MTRs)( Bridgies have a bigger lug and a good taper)

Sand wise - brilliant when aired down however more prone to rolling off rim than BFGs at same pressure (below 16PSI)(probably due to stiffer sidewall) There is not a lot between these tyres, as you know, in the sand they all do very well as long as you know what you are doing and know what your wheels are doing (ie not spinning and digging you in.)
Very similar to BFG on wet bitumen and I think a little better than the Bridgestones in the wet.
Noise - not too bad - they are a Muddie - just live with it or go for ATs of HTs - (you cant have everything)
Fuel consumption - yes will use more unless you put 2-3 extra PSI than the experts say you need.

Having gone through sets of each and my jury is still out on the Duelers - I think the Duelers are so far the pick of the bunch (Ill tell you for sure in another 10-20,000ks) - dont know why they are such a well kept secret, Id have them over the BFGs - gave up on the MTRs because of the wear and chipping on the GU.
Which does not detract from the MTR at all they are a great tyre but not for our purposes.
Not many people know much about the Duelers, they are worth a look before you buy anything. I had to try them as they looked very good and the compound seems very good.
I would be more impressed if they had a sidewall lug like the others but as I said before -you can’t have everything.
When doing the homework Just listen to people who use them - not somebody who is selling you something or somebody who's mate knew a guy who broke one... LOL.;

I think thats about it

Nick

D-Jack this is my thoughts on the MTRs i have a mate who is on his second set and loves them he drives a 100s Cruiser and got about 50,000 odd Ks out of the previous set now this from a 3.2tonne vehicle is very good.

Baz.

The price is very rich I think.. I was quoted $300 for 33x12.5x15's then called around and got them down to $265, this was only a month ago.. Call around.

I have MTR's and will replace them with MTR's. Very happy customer.

Performance on Sand... No issues at Robe, theres some photos of our trip there on my Website..
but the sand was hard packed. IMHO, you are best off with AT or HT's on sand.

When new they are quiet.. Less noise than my Old BF MT's. But the noise will get to you when they start to wear out (after 40-50,000), and they do require balancing regularly, but then so do all tires. Mine have ~40,000 and they "LOOK" about 50% worn.

On the road, in the Dry and wet they are fine. Dirt freeways out Murray Sunset, they handled 110k's crusin round quite well, and didnt lose out on some of the corners that catch you out.

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Some dude on here was dribbling the other week about "oh poo they are soft they will fall apart"... But I've done some hard stuff with them up Toolangi (rocky Track, the steps etc), and theres a few cuts in the tread blocks, but there are the same cuts in my Simex's from the same track.

I had BFG muds before the MTR's. IMHO, they are about on par with each other. Some people say they are happy with BF's some with MTRs, but Im yet to hear any bad stories about MTR's from the dudes that run them in Tuff Truck, and other comps. Just which you can get the better price on.

Bloody good tyre.

All the best
Eric

I've only had mine on for a few weeks (31"10.5R15), done a couple of thosand k's already on them, two trips away lot's of gravel and lot's of tar.

I've never run a muddies before either but I have been in other cars with BFG muddies. IMHO the MTR's are deffinatally quieter. With my windows down and fully loaded they are a little noisy, but I never drive with my windows down on the highway, always A/C and stereo. The missus and I can talk at normal levels with a CD playing in the background at 115km/hr no problems.

Gravel = Awsome. I always liked driving on gravel, now I LOVE it.
Corrugations, I did some pretty visous corrugations loaded up on Saturday at 42psi I thought the roof rack was going to fall of and my spine was going to snap (as you would imagine at 42psi). I went about 10k's like that because I thought my turn off was comming up soon. Then I had to stop and let them down to 29psi so that my concusion would disapate. ;-) At 29psi it was almost "what corrugations?".
Only been down a tiny bit of sand on these tyres, soft top soil they dig in at high psi and claw their way along, soft stuff at hight PSI they just SINK. Lower PSI no problems, but as I said havn' really given them a beach run or anything yet.

Handling in the wet. We've just started to get our first bit of Rain here in WA and I havn't given them a hiding in the wet as the family has always been in the car but it has felt nice on the road and with a little bit of not paying attention I had to brake pretty hard and I was waiting for them to lock but they didn't so I'm pretty happy so far in that department.

The surf rumbles around the burbs as a glorified shopping cart and to and from school during the week, the last couple of weekends we have been off on trips and have been very loaded up. So the majority of the MTR's k's have been on the highway loaded at 100 + km/hr and on gravel and dirt/scrub tracks. No marks in the tyres at all yet and we have done some pretty rough tracks (some where the tracks had almost dissapered and there were sharp rocks, and bushs/sticks all over the place.

Happy so far, fingers crossed for the future!

yeah - must admit they may have been older stock It was a couple of years ago. - I think the mob who supplied them had them for a bit.
Nick

mate i have had mtrs on the jack for about 15,000k now, wearing well. bought late last year. Make sure the 245 is actualy available, when i was looking they only had 3 245 on order to come into the country ?? who buys 3 tyres ???

anyway i put 265/75/16 on her and yep it slowed it down heaps, added 1.5-2 l/100 to the consumption as well. BUT off road they are great on dirt/ mud/ and hard gravell. I find them absolutely woefull on loose gravel on the jack, it just slides around heaps. same for loose sand tracks.

on road they arent too noisy, but very notchy at low speed (of course) and in the wet they lock easily at anything over 3/4 braking effort. They also squirm like buggery under power, and make the craziest howl when spinning :-))).
If you can get em in the 245 definetly go for it.

Hi D-Jack,

Have had my MTRs, 30x9.50R15LTs for 3mnths now with about 4000ks on them on a Hilux Duel Cab 2.8d. Picked them up for $235.00ea fitted. They have had silicon added and am expecting to get approx the same as my old set of AT/S, 65-75000ks (this is what I got out of my 80series LC and also on the old ex hilux before traded on current ute) and done some fairly serious work on them and at the moment there is no wear to speak of, even the little rubber lugs are still there. In my opinion my vehicle has actually improved in handling, even on the black top in the wet. In the Mud, well, Yippeeeeeeeee!!!!!!. There was only a marginal increase in rd noise, can still here myself think. I dont know about the BFG as have always run Goodyear AT/S, it is just a pity they are no longer made. (Too Good a Tyre).

Darryl