Hilux 2004 3Lt TD

Submitted: Friday, May 06, 2005 at 09:09

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Roger From Tassie

Hi All

Looking for opinions on a theory I just heard.

I currently drive a 2004 Hilux 3lt TD. Its only done 25,000km. The suggestion was that because Toyota just added the turbo to the old straight 3lt, that the engine may be too weak to deal with the extra power and that eventually something will/may go bang.

For a couple of reasons I'm a bit suspect on this theory. One of the reasons being the theory came from a salesman who sells a competing brand of vehicle. The other thing that confuses me about this theory is that people have been putting turbo's on various Hilux models for years, presumably successfully or people wouldn't still be doing it. But I'm no mechanical expert and may be missing something.

Reason I'm interested in opinions is that it is a company vehicle and I'm thinking about buying it.

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers

Roger

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Reply By: Member - iMusty (VIC) - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 09:23

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 09:23

I sell stuff, and I HATE salesmen.

We get told all sorts of bull bleep too, by our own superiors.

SELL SELL SELL is the command.

I cant help you with your question but I tell you, fair dinkim honest advice it rare on the sales floor.

I will never go back to work in the auto trade. They are so sleek and slick, and stinging someone $50,000 - $100,000 is just another day at work for them.

We (consumers) think they care. We want to believe. It's a weakness.

I don't blame the sales guy entirely though, (remember I am one). He's got to feed his kids too. And 1-2% of the deal adds up to lots of money for nappies and stuff.

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Follow Up By: Roger From Tassie - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 11:08

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 11:08

Yeah I know its a problem. By definition a salesman has to at least bend the truth if not outright lie. Unless of course he/she really does happen to be selling the best product in world.

Like you I don't blame the salesmen. Someone has to do it and they have to eat. Its just the way it is. This is why its good to have forums like this.

bleep. Did I just sell myself becoming a member???

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Reply By: AndrewW - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 11:22

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 11:22

Don't listen to any salesmen, no matter who they work for.

I believe the motor your talking about is the 1KZ-TE?? This is a totally different motor than the original 3L and 5L (motor codes, not sizes) fitted to Hiluxes.

Since about 1993 the 1KZ-TE has been in other models in other countries, include lots of Surfs which are done as private imports to Australia.

IMHO, this is an excellent motor. I have the V6 Hilux, and wish I had of spend the extra cash on the TD. They are a gem, and very reliable in the long term.

Salesmen, especially from other car companies are lying pieces of excrement. Don't believe a word. A 2004 TD Hilux will be a great truck for more than 10 years easy.

Andrew

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Follow Up By: Roger From Tassie - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 12:02

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 12:02

Andrew

Yes the engine is the 1KZ-TE.

Thanks for the comforting feedback on the engine.

Although I do hope the salesmen of the world will eventually forgive me for starting a wave of attacks on their character.

Cheers

Roger

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 18:52

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 18:52

Yep, the sales man is a sales man and possibly a tool to boot!
Andrew's spot on, the the 3.0L Naturally Aspirated Diesel is a model 5L. The Turbo Diesel is a 1KZ-TE.
The 1KZ-TE's have been around in various forms since the very early 90's and have proven to be an aswome motor, smooth, quiet and very reliable. (the earlier ones like mine are a little thirsty though, fixed with upgrades to the ECU and electronic fuel pumps). The only problems ever really exerienced with the 1kz-te were heads (because people abused them with incorrect coolants and overheating them etc), starter motors (which was caused by slack mechanics spilling oil from the filter all over them at every change) and idler bolts shearing off causing the timing to go out and the motor to destroy itself (fixed in an upgrade from 8mm bolt to 10mm bolts in 1993, and there is a mod to retro fit the older ones while getting your timing belt changed).
So all in all it'd probally be a fantastic truck to buy, just change the oil every 5k and make sure you run Genuine Toyota Coolant and flush every 12-24 months. Oh yeah and when it's time to change the timming belt, inspect the idler pullys and bearing to make sure they are still good (standard procedure, which I'm sure never get's done).

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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 18:21

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 18:21

Gday Roger,have heard the same as above.The turbo motor is completley different.If you are putting a turbo on a n/a 5L then you may/will run into problems.Apparently it modelled on the 3L motor but made heaps lighter and weaker.The T/D motor is ment to be a beauty.

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Follow Up By: Roger From Tassie - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 18:49

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 18:49

Thanks Nick

Sounding like the theory is rubbish.

Have fun on your trip.

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Follow Up By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 18:54

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 18:54

Thanks Mate,one sleep to go,in fact this time tommorrow night we'll be at Macca's in Devonport having tea waiting for the boat to go.
Cheers Nick

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Follow Up By: Roger From Tassie - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 19:19

Friday, May 06, 2005 at 19:19

One sleep! Half your luck. We have 53 sleeps to go. But who's counting aye?

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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 16:18

Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 16:18

Hi all,
If you have any questions regarding turbo's on 4wds contact a well known diesel specialist in the southern higlands.
They ARE the BEST in the country and will send you some literature explaining all about turbos. There is just so much BS thrown about that they have produced a page to explain the truth.
I have just had a turbo fitted to my 1hz 80 series and it is a different vehicle. Welll worth the money. Don't cheapskate on getting a mate to fit a turbo, let the experts do it.

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