Cooper STT vs BFG mud

Submitted: Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 17:03
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Best price BFG mud terrain 31/10.5 R15 = $235.00 each

Best price cooper stt mud 31/10.5 R15 = $270.00 each

Can anyone justify the cost difference, what’s the difference between the 2 tyres, not worth the cost difference surely?
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Reply By: SAoffroader - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 17:12

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 17:12
Hound
31x10.50R15 GoodYear MT/R has silica DURA Wall $235?
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Reply By: Exploder - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 18:43

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 18:43
Gday hound

$270 for the STT, That does not sound correct

In a price list I have which is a few years old now the BFG MT-TA is $282/ 31/10.5R15

And COOPER MUD=STT is $240/ 31/10.5R15

It is completely the opposite what the hell.

Where did you get the prices and have you tried other suppliers

New tyre design on the cooper maybe, I know a mate was quoted $310 for BFG MT 33/12.5R15 last year.

P.S I think the 2 tyres are so similar it would make stuff all difference performance wise.
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Follow Up By: hound - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 22:11

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 22:11
Price's are correct. Tried around 8 main suppliers in Melbourne. Was thinking of going to Coopers but carnt justify the extra money of the coopers.
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Follow Up By: tonyj - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 22:30

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 22:30
I have a set of Cooper S/T's on my GQ, 4 years and 100k's later still have better than half the tread left. If the Cooper STT's are of a the same compound as the Cooper S/T's (something close I believe), I'd spend the extra $'s. Tyres don't go hard as they wear like others I've seen.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 22:57

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 22:57
"I have a set of Cooper S/T's on my GQ, 4 years and 100k's later still have better than half the tread left" ................ I would like to see that!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 00:38

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 00:38
its on car stands and sits there in 5th gear... either that or they are that old and hard as diamonds and would never wear out
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 00:42

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 00:42
I think your prices are horse crap.

try tirepower in blackburn, go in there and see em, they dont do prices on the phone, but they can do you 33's at a better price than you have been quoted, and that was fitted and balanced, when I went in there in person..
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Follow Up By: tonyj - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:55

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:55
I could post a photo and maybe find the receipt, but it still wouldn't prove my statement.
Lets just say I'm VERY impressed with tyres and have NO hesitation sticking with the brand.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 23:30

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 23:30
Best price cooper stt mud 31/10.5 R15 = $270.00 each

Your joking?

Ive got same price for 33x12.5x15 BFG MT or MTR's...
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Follow Up By: hound - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 08:58

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 08:58
Go in a try on coopers stt new pattern, been there that's the price. BFG 's are at least $30 cheaper a tyre at Blackburn
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 09:30

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 09:30
I dont want Coopers.. have a mate with them on his GU...

I cant see how a 31 is $270.. someones smokin cawk somewhere
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Reply By: hound - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 10:03

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 10:03
The pricing for the coopers is ridiculous; no way I’m paying the extra $30 per tyre for the coopers. I will stick to the BFG mud tyres and keep the change.

I have the older pattern cooper mud tyres and the BFG's are better for offroad work anyway.
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Reply By: hound - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 11:32

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 11:32
Just purchased 4-off BFG mud terrains & 4-off black navara rims = $1176.00 the lot.

Not buying coopers again until the price comes down.
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Reply By: Onayr - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 08:52

Monday, May 23, 2005 at 08:52
Yep the 31x10.50R15 Cooper Armortek3 STT will be around the $270 mark.
The key feature is the carcass construction.

The old STT used a 2 body ply carcass, with a thicker, higher denier cord and extra wide steel belts making it one of the strongest tyres on the market.

So, now for the really good bit.
Cooper have taken their old STT carcass and added more. With the original STT body ply in place (thicker cords), they have now added an ArmourTek3 body cover ply.
This is not just an ordinary body ply though.... It is on a specially calculated angle rather than a straight Radial ply. By doing this, not only is the tyre so much stronger by having that extra ply, it also gives the tyre better puncture, tear and impact damage resistance!! That's not all though. The angled ArmourTek3 cover ply is wrapped through the bead section in the opposite direction to the other 2 Thick body ply. The advantage of this feature gives the lower sidewall and bead section reinforcement and added strength.
Everyone knows the strength of a Bias tyre off road... everyone also knows how average a Bias tyre drives on road. With this technology, Cooper have managed to harness some of the supreme tyre strength of the Bias tyre while still maintaining the Bitumen ride and usability of conventional Radial tyres.
The original extra wide steel belts are still used, however they have now added belt edge gum strips, and yet another feature.... a Spiral Nylon OverWrap. Two main benefits of this Overwrap is:
1) Better uniformity in the tyre (Less weight in balancing required)
2) Ties the belts in and stops belt seperation from moisture. When you play off road, tyres naturally get some scuffing and minor cuts from sharp rocks and objects. This allows moisture in to the steel belts, which over time leads to belt deterioration and possible eventual seperation. The Overwrap stops a lot of the moisture and is like a Safety belt for your Steel Belts... it stops the belts from coming out of the tyre if damaged.
The tread section is unreal -
2 - Thick Body Ply
1 - angled ArmourTek3 cover ply
2 - Steel Belts
1 - Spiral Nylon OverWrap
IMO Near Bulletproof.

This tyre has been a long time in the making and there has been a lot of testing and re-testing at Coopers 48 Hectare 4wd Test Track and Test Facility in the States.

This tyre is 33% stronger and 2.5 times more resistant to tearing.

And for all those out there that are worried about it...................

YES!!! The tyre is MUCH SEXIER now!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Ryano

(Theived this from a post I made on Outerlimits4x4.com a couple of months ago.)
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Follow Up By: Onayr - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 09:16

Monday, May 23, 2005 at 09:16
This is the reason the new Cooper Armortek3 STT is dearer than the comparative patterns in other brands. It is a more advanced case construction and much newer technology.
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Follow Up By: hound - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 12:08

Monday, May 23, 2005 at 12:08
Thanks, you sound like a Cooper tyre salesman.

Still can’t see why so much more than BFGs. My old cooper tyres have noticeable damage and cracking in the sidewalls. Have had many sets of BFG muds and tried the coopers last time. Found them not bad, but had a tendency to slide sideways before griping. Also had 3 sidewall punctures from unknown causes.

Mates mostly run BFG mud tyres and have only had a 2 sidewall punctures, and that was from a large 10 inch bridge nail and a tree stump. Any tyre would have been punctured from those.

From comparing the Cooper STT and BFG mud tyres I have had, the BFG’s are alot better in the mud and snow.

Might look again at the Coopers next time around but not unless they match or come close to the BFG price.
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Follow Up By: Onayr - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 12:47

Monday, May 23, 2005 at 12:47
I am a Cooper Salesman, a BFG Salesman, a Goodyear Salesman, a Mickey Thompson Salesman as well as a salesman for a number of other brands.
I work in an independent tyre store called Fourbys in Moorooka. We sell all makes and models with a specialty in 4wd tyres. You are doing the right thing by going with American made tyres as they are stronger than the majority of other brands from other origins. They have straighter sidewalls and wider steel belts.
I can't see the price on the new STT being reduced to the BFG price as there is so much more in them. Their construction is an innovative leap and the next generation of tyre.
Don't get me wrong... the BFG is still a great, strong and reliable tyre. However the new Cooper STT can't really be considered against the BFG pricing, as the BFG isn't in the same league construction wise. It should be considered against the old Cooper STT (which is still available) or against the MTR.
Happy Travelling,
Ryano
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