Re - Mr Scruby

Submitted: Friday, May 20, 2005 at 01:18
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Found this site, some of you may find it interesting.
Its actually the web site of Dr Jon Jenkins, NSW Member of Parliament.

A member of Parliament who does not seem to agree with Mr Scruby.

www.trac.org.au/cgi-bin/test?page=http://www.trac.org.au/myths/scrubyNH.htm
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 04:08

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 04:08
John, that is gold... Just copy/pasted it to Harold and asked very nicely for a response. I didn't identify my motives, will post the response if it comes.
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Reply By: Footloose - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 06:51

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 06:51
Hi John, if you email me I can give you some interesting background to the said member. Not relavant, but interesting :))
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Reply By: Member - bushfix - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 07:00

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 07:00
G'day John,

I posted that link the other day in response to iMusty's "Pro 4wd Group" post 23056. I have met Jon briefly and he does impress me. The website is very good and I encourage people to subscribe to his newsletter.

Jeremy.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 12:32

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 12:32
Sorry Jeremy I must have missed that one.
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Reply By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 07:57

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 07:57
Yes the good Prof Jenkins is a somewhat lonely voice who doesn't seem to be able to get much media time. He is the Outdoor Recreation Party rep in the NSW upper house. Interestingly he also responded to Miranda Devine's quite vitriolic article about 4WDs and Drivers in the SMH the other day (copy below). What's the bet this doesn't make it into print in the SMH.

From: Dr Jon Jenkins [mailto:jon@trac.org.au]
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2005 8:00 AM
To: 'devinemiranda@hotmail.com'
Subject: 4WD issue

Hi Miranda



I saw your article in the Herald this morning and was disappointed. I realise if I make this too long it will not get read so I have tried to summarise point form:



1: What is it about 4WDs that seem to make people think they can magically break the laws of physics. What is the difference between a 2 tonne four-wheel-drive and a 2 tonne sedan or people mover?



2: You describe four-wheel-drive is as being big did you realise that the average Commodore and Falcon are larger than a Nissan Patrol?



3: Our culture seems to be one of transferring blame: it's society's fault, it's the parents fault, its the schools fault, it's the government's fault. In this particular case nobody seemed to ask the really important questions:



a) Where was the parent and why weren't they holding this child's hand?

b) Where was the school supervision which allowed a child to occupy the same space as vehicles

c) The driver had owned this vehicle for some considerable time and had in fact undergone training, how is it possible that she did not understand the visual characteristics of this vehicle?



Its easy to blame the vehicle!



4: Neither I nor any of those that I represent have any reservations about a special licensing system for 4WD in fact all members of all 4WD clubs have to undergo a highly specialised and rigorous training before they can become a full member of the club. However while the situation on our roads exist where any idiot can get a licence regardless of their lack of skill or ability there will continue to have tragedies on the road.



5: North Sydney Council did not impose a levy on 4WDs, the levy was based upon the emission of greenhouse gases. Unlike the obsessed anti-four-wheel-drive lobby the laws of physics simply determine that four-wheel drives are no different to any other vehicle.



6: the anti-four-wheel-drive lobby is extremely good at twisting the statistics on four-wheel drives. If you are really interested in facts and figures on four-wheel drives you can get most of them from my web site. If you have the time please go to my web site www.trac.org.au and have a quick look at the questions that I would have liked to have asked the coroner and the anti-four-wheel-drive lives section on the left-hand side.



thanks



jon







Prof Jon Jenkins MLC www.trac.org.au

Outdoor Recreation Party

Parliament House

Macquarie Street Sydney NSW 2000

Ph/Fax 02-9230-2752/2205

jon@trac.org.au

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Follow Up By: Aston - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:59

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:59
Outdoor Recreation Party

Jon's a great bloke and possibly the best advocate that we have got and believe it or not the other bloke on our side is Mr COSTA. MLA.

All I can say is that all NSW people should support Jon Jenkins as he is the best ally that we have.

Cheers Aston
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Reply By: Nudenut - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 07:58

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 07:58
we had a hammering on radio here in adelaide yesterday...presenter Nicole Haack was good as she actually likes them (4wd's)...but the opposition made sure they had their say and were heard...

I have sent the link to the presenter and hopefully she will air these stats
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 07:59

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 07:59
som time back someone posted another link on EO to some good 4wd points...anyone remember what the link is?
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 08:18

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 08:18
Nudie,

This what your're looking for?

http://www.wyndhambusiness.com/opinion/4wd.htm

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 08:38

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 08:38
Thats the one
Thanks Beatit...its on its way to Nicole Haack
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Follow Up By: Dean (SA) - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 12:43

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 12:43
Nudenut,

I heard some of her show yesterday, and some of the callers, unbelievable.
Did you hear the fella who had been in the army all his life, he put his point over really well, she gave him a couple of tickets to the flicks, she was impressed.
Dean
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 13:39

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 13:39
no didnt hear him Dean...heard some of the others though...but not as many as the anti's
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 13:52

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 13:52
Just wonder if the latest Melbourne incident gets the same coverage. The guy didn't kill anybody but only injured six kids (a down right disgrace), he was drunk, he was unlicenced, he lost control of his ford sedan and appeared to have had very dark skin. The last comment isn't meant to be racist but I suspect that this will ensure the issue will not get aired so as not to offend (its easier to pick on 4wd's).

To me this is a much greater wrongdoing but which seems to pass as just an everyday affair. It begs the question of the anti 4wd lobby why this issue is more acceptable because I bet it won't get the same coverage.

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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 14:13

Friday, May 20, 2005 at 14:13
i wont have a wager with you on that
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 16:26

Monday, May 23, 2005 at 16:26
Excellent, good to see! I just emailed him with praise and offers for help in anyway I can.
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