Poor k's out of Cooper AT's

hi matt,
ive been using coopers in both at and st for 7 years. done a lot of highway as well as off road and always found them to do the job even though the st's on my rodeo are noisey. as the dealer is local i drop in and they check and advise on pressures, rotation and wear patterns. i might not have got 80 k, running 2 sets and trading both regularly. but i would recommend the dealer and tyre.
i drive to the conditions and not agrressivly and as your story is second hand the true facts are hard to assertain.

regards peter

Yeah the 15-inch are only warranted for 60,000k’s
I have had mine for 16,000k’s and there is bugger all wear on them.
The odd chip on some lugs from to higher tyre pressure (48Psi) on sharp stony tracks, But I am happy with them and would buy again.

Probably go ST as don’t like the look of the new ATR look’s too much like a road tyre.

Haven’t rotated them yet, probably this week if I get round to it.

I've got the new ATRs. Do about 80% bitumen and 20% gravel and off road. I'm happy with them so far, but early days.
An interesting point of KM guarantees (regardless of brand). I understand that they only apply if tyres are properly rotated at least every 10,000 KM. Is this a 5 wheel (inc spare) rotation, or a 4 wheel rotation (spare not rotated). The difference is almost 20%, so can not be ignored. If you use the set for 80,000, each tyre will only do about 64,000 KM.

Interesting point. I don't know the answer.

I rotate my wheels (not the spare as I have alloys on the 'Lux and a steel as spare).

I didn't buy the Coopers for the warranty. I got them because they are good tyres and I could get them in the size and load rating I wanted. Couldn't get BFGs to suit (265,70,15, 112 load rating) even if I wanted them. If I'm not happy when they wear out, I'll try something else next time.

G,day Troopy Tracker,

Don't know what your mate has been doing with his, but I've got 16" ST's with 16000k's up so far including Cape Melville via battle camp, which I travelled doing around 90kph weighing at around 3t, so I haven't exactly been easy on them, also Palmer river with part of the old packhorse route out which even the locals will tell you is hard on any tyre, and returned via The lynd, hughenden and muttuburra, all dirt. I just went out and measured mine, the fronts are 11mm and the rear are 10mm, not bad I thought. Okay so I probably won't get 80thou. out of them, but IMO tyre choice isn't just about longetivity, it's also about puncture resistance and traction on high speed gravel and wet bitumen, and in basic low range 4wd stuff, ie. safety for the occupants.
I have had BFG AT's on my previous car, also had muddies and bridgestone duelers in the past, at this stage will replace this set with coopers.
I'm not saying these tyres are "THE BEST", It's simply a comparison and my opinion, there may well be others just as good, we also don't know how your mate drives, V8 supercar style around corners? Go-to-whoah style between lights? All adds up to drastic reduction in tyre life.

Avagoodn
Pezza

I have 15" coopers on my Discovery - just covered 100,000 km in mixed driving and have about another 10-20k left in them. Wear has been consistent over the life of the tyres.

Gazz

I had Kumo's on my GQ Patrol and in one twelve month period destroyed 4 tyres on the rough stuff so I went to Cooper ST's 10R15's and never looked back no more punctures and good road holding both on and off road. I did just over 40,000kms on them and they are still at half tread depth but have now been put onto my camper trailer as I have new Patrol but will be putting Coopers on the new Patrol as soon as I can, Cooper for me have been great where as I would not recomend Kumo's as in my experience they just dont cut it off road.

Cheers
Treker

With 7mm left, given they probably only started with 10 or 11, and he can get down to 1.6mm before they legally need to be replaced, I cannot understand the problem.

He should get another 34000 out of them at least (as Dave said they wear less as the tread has less "squirm"). It's simple maths (not math, I'm not a Yank).

Tell him to let them run out their time and see how they go.

I think he is worrying about something he doesn't need to.

Cheers,

Jim.

I completely stuffed my first set of Cooper AT's at only 25,000km's from memory(lots of Pilbara rock etc). Went back to the dealer, no questions asked, new set fitted on the spot straight away. Sold them off at 70,000km's with more than legal tread on them after a hard life.

I think I copped a bad batch first up, simple as that. Bought a set the new ATR's in 305/16 I was so impressed with my last set. They are light years ahead of the old AT's in every respect so far, but it's early days yet.

I have sworn off coopers for the same reason, poor milage for the $$$ compared to other tyres.

Ran 235/85/16 ATs, older style.
Went through two sets - 8 tyres.

Have run Coopers ATs, Toyo OPATS, Firestone ASRs, Simex Roadtrekker. All getting about 50,000 to 70,000. Current Simex might be a more.

Got between 50,000 and 60,000 out of the Coopers.
I did the right thing and got them balanced and rotated every 10,000 by a coopers dealer.
They gave me a discount on the first set towards the second set on a prorata basis.
But of course it was calculated on new RRP price (full price) for the 2nd set, not the slightly discounted price of the first set. About $150.00 to $170.00 each for the 2nd set of tyres.
After the second set went the same way, I went and bought another make for the $170.00, and saved my $44.00 to $48.00 every 10,000k.

Not bagging the tyre, good grip in most conditions for an AT, good overall except for the chipping on development roads, and the high wear on bitumen with a full load at 100 to 110K. Checked with the local coopers agent as why, checked tyre pressures and everything else and all OK. Always found the dealers honest and straight forward.

I also noticed at the last 4WD show that ATs are not recommended for extended dirt road use, and the milage guarantee for the 235/85/16 has been amended from 80,000k back to 50,000k.

Just doesn't seem to be a tyre that suits my car.

TroopyTracker
I've got Cooper 265/75R16 AT's on my Patrol and they have logged up 75k (60% bitumen, 40% offroad) and still have 5mm of tread, I rotate the four road wheels every 10k and check tyre pressures at least once week. I'm happy with them and will be replacing them with Cooper AT's again. The ST's are guaranteed for 80k, the AT's for 60k
Mike

I'm not going to repeat my story again - it's in the forums on similar threads.

I have dealt with Exclusive Tyre Distributors in Qld on a minor issue, as has Pete who I just did the Canning with and both us have ST's.

For things that would have other manufacturers telling us to get stuffed it's wear and tear, Coopers offered to replace our tyres.

I reckon they wear well, have great grip in a wide range of conditions and terrain and offer aftermarket service second to none.

When I dealt with them I described track conditions under which the damage concerned happened - and it was off road (plus I don't drive in the city hardly ever) and they had no issue. Dealer doesn't service either vehicle either - Pete does and the dealer knows who he is and what he does, so maybe that helps.

I'll buy another set. No problem. Great tyres & great service.

Dave

Thanks for all the replys, will get mate to read thread tonight and see if he wants to ask anymore questions. Gotta say 50 or even 60k out of a set of AT's in this price range seems poor to me when others (even cheapies) manage plenty more.
Cheers
Matt

what did he get in the ened