Water Storage (Drinking

Submitted: Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 13:45
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Hello 4WD lovers

I am looking for a water storage solution that doesn't break the bank or use up to much internal space.

- Portable containers under $30 per 20 liters. OK but bulky (room in the cargo area is a premium as we are a family of 5).
- Flexible bladders 80 litres in rear passenger footwell $290. (not ideal when I have kids in the back also)
- Outback water container 50+ litres $? (uses up cargo space)
- Blader 20litres in rear cargo trim - $200+ (good space conserving idea but expensive for only 20 litres)
- Stainless steel underbody tank - I like this option the best but I have been quoted $625 supplied and fitted for 50 litres or $825 for 80 litres.

I'd appreciate any words of wisdom any from others who have done the research. Is there a cheaper underbody option any one knows about or any other clever water storage ideas? (I have a GQ patrol.)
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 14:07

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 14:07
Another drinking water alternative you can add is to buy the Spring Water in the 10 litre casks. Can usually buy this out bush too. They are square and may be easy to find a spot for, or you can take the cask bladder out and fit it inside a space somewhere in the vehicle. I think they cost about $4-5 each.

I prefer to have water in multiple containers, in case one leaks, gets tainted etc

Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: drogger - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 14:27

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 14:27
Save all the 2 litre cool drink bottles you buy through the year and fill them with water. You then have versatilty of using odd places and "nooks and crannies" that go wasted throughout the vehicle. Also easier to fill up with water you might find along the way.
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Reply By: hoyks - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 14:32

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 14:32
Peat’s Ridge spring water was on sale in 15L casks at Woolies today for around $5. The containers aren't exactly heavy duty but are robust enough if you keep them away from sharp edges.

I use 20L army jerries. Nice thick plastic that can take a hiding. A few 1 & 2 L bottles jammed into small spaces in the cargo area can also increase the amount of water you carry without too much inconvenience or expense.
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Follow Up By: BamBam - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 15:49

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 15:49
Thanks Phil Drogger & Hoyks
Yes I can see advantages of these containers. I usually have a few 2 litre bottles in the car also. Casks - Not bad!
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 19:47

Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 19:47
Another option is a water tank from Bias Boating. Request a catalogue and have a thumb through it, you will find lots of stuff that you can use for fitting out a vehicle that won't cost 4x4 type of prices.

This may be another option. Whitworths marine. Have a look around the site they have other stuff too.
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Reply By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 14:47

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 14:47
BamBam,

Give this a run:

http://www.lcool.org/technical/90_series/WaterSystem/water.html

We are also a family of five, but in a smaller vehicle (Prado). It gives you sixty litres in a very low cost solution.
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Ivan
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Follow Up By: BamBam - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 15:42

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 15:42
Thanks Ivan
Not a bad system. Quite an interesting site also.
Thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:21

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:21
That's VERY similar to the system I had in the surf. I updated it as the Jerry's were giving me the bleeps in the end. A small mod turned that above system into a fully permanant tank system.

I bought a 52L plastic caravan tank for $79 from the 12v shop. If fit perfectly between the wheel arches. I then made a storage box around the tank that was shaped to fit against the back seats (on an angle). I then covered it in carpet and you'd never know it's there, with the added advantage of having somewhere safe to store all your recovery gear/tools etc that is accessable from within the cab (just fold the back seats forward) and it works as a kind of cargo barrier as well as giving you a flat side at the back stack all your tubs and gear up against nice and flush.

It resolves several problems:

1) Obviosuly somewhere to put water and revovery gear.
2) Saftey, as a sort of cargo barrier
3) I don't have that wasted space behind the back seats anymore that I could never use.
4) Having a tailgate I could never reach all the way forward into the cargo area as when the tailgate was down I would have needed Go-Go-Gadget arms, now I can reach all the way to the box no probs and everything else is accessed via the front by folding the seats down.

The other problem with the Jerrys is that they let light in so if you don't empty them and dry them out when not in use they will grow all sorts of yummy flavours in them. The caravan tank in ours is black plus it's all under the storage box (inuslating it tempeture wise too).

If you are interest I can take some photo's for you. I also found a better place to put the pump was behind the pannels in the back and one of those "Quick Clamp" wood working clamps with a couple of cable ties makes a fantastic way to mount the tap to virtually anyway when your at camp.
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Follow Up By: conman - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:42

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:42
Yes Jeff I've seen those black tanks, but wonder if they are rated for drinking water. They smelt pretty plastiky(?), do they leave a taste in the water?
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:52

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:52
Conman, they are food safe rated polyethylene and leave less taste than the jerry's do. They are supposedly "tasteless". Just make sure you use good quality foodsafe hoses too, that's where most of the taste comes from, also DON'T fill up the tank with a garden hose, you'll never get rid of the bloody taste! I have a 20m Foodsafe hose rolled up in the garage and a 10m in the tool box in the car with all types of fittings so I can fill up anywhere anytime with good quality tastless hoses.
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 19:27

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 19:27
We have recently put in the same system as Ivan, have to recommend it, it's great!

Steve
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Follow Up By: BamBam - Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 14:11

Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 14:11
Hi Ivan

I would be interested in seeing a photo if it was not to much of a hassel

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Ivan (ACT) - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:36

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:36
Which bit are you after a photo of mate? - It's pretty much all in the link (photo's incl)
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Reply By: Leroy - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 15:39

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 15:39
I think you have explored most options. You could possibly look at the flexible water bladders that go in you rear quarters. Be wary of the underbody tanks, great idea if you want hot water all the time but not the best if you are after a cool drink!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: BamBam - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 15:45

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 15:45
Yes Thanks Leroy - I had not thought of the temperature issue.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:05

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:05
Sorry Leroy but i have to dissagree with what you said.

I have a stainless steel 95ltr water tank under car with electric pump and i have NEVER expierenced hot water from the tank.
Personally from exp, I think if money isnt an issue, this is the way to go. Heaps of cool, clean drinking water on tap. Tucked away well enough for most offroad families not to get damaged.

I do like the idea of the loose bottles tossed into vacant spaces though. It all adds up ay.

Just my shillings worth guys
Ange
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 19:56

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 19:56
It's fine when it's cold outside but you can't tell me when it's hot it still stays cool?

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 21:20

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 21:20
With you leroy have had 2 underbody tanks and water gets warm enough for a decent shower with both of them
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:11

Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:11
Dont want this to become a battle Leroy, Its just what i have expierenced with my offroad fun.
I do most of my camping in winter/ autumn/ spring. water in my tank stays cool enough to drink.
On the very odd occasion i head off in summer, It becomes warm enough to hook straight up to my in-car shower. No Need to run engine as water temp is perfect.
So once again, it really depends on every individual situation.
I'm not a summer camper, hate the heat and flies. So i was just telling it the way I expierence it mate.
Hope this clears the air a bit.
Ange.
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Reply By: 120scruiser - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 16:00

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 16:00
Try Graham here I had a set of his drawers in my 80 series and he had a water tank running in front of the drawers and behind the seats. 45 litres stainless steel. They sat the same height as the drawers. I loved it. The 80 is gone now but I am waiting to here back from him about my 120 Prado to see if he can do the same.
I had 15 litre containers of spring water and still get them. Just one word of advice, keep them away from any fridge slides as mine rubbed a hole in one. Pack them in the middle of your clothes bags and sleeping bags.
I noticed at the OL stand at the show in Sydney the other week they have a hard plastice water tank which sits flat on the roof rack. Same as mentioned above the water would get hot up there but convenient. They also have one which is only about and inch or two thick and sits between the rear seats and cargo barrier.

Just some more suggestions to confuse you. I think the stainless tanks from Graham are about 550 bucks.
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Reply By: Member - John C (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 16:10

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 16:10
Used to carry water on the floor under the kids feet, when thier legs were shorter.
They stood on the jerry cans.
How about a false floor in front of the back seats using ply and the bladder (or the 10l containers) underneath that?

Now the kids don't travel with us any more (late teens/ early20s) we use the 10l and 15l containers of spring water to supplement the couple of plastic 'jerry' cans we carry.

Used to try and keep the heavy stuff at floor level and the light and bulky stuff on the roof rack. In the end we decided the roof rack was the solution.

Did look at bladders and under body tanks but the cost per litre for a couple of big trips a year didn't make it worthwhile. Roof rack seemed a better option for the money.
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Reply By: DiesAl - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 16:19

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 16:19
Gday mate, Another option that seems quite popular is the water pipe with the screw on caps and a tap threaded into one end. With all the various bends and sizes you could possibily fit them into all sorts of places ie: behind bullbar, I've also seen them around the outside of roof rack but keeping in mind the weight issue up high.
Just another option

Hope it helps

Al

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Reply By: Wazza - (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:29

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:29
I set up a search on ebay using words "water tank" in 4wd accessories.

It came up with this a couple of weeks ago (for an 80 series):

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=455966335

You get emailed when a match is found as soon as the item is listed. They seem to be darn expensive on ebay. Guess everyone wants one.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:48

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:48
What sort of travel do you do? Do you want just drinking water or washing water too? You may not need a great deal of water - in the Vic High Country water is generally not a problem and you would not need to carry very much. In the deserts water (or lack of it) can be a killer and you may need _lots_ especially with three children (young children will dehydrate much more quickly than adults). Do an objective analysis of how much you really need to carry and then look at the possible solutions.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:54

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 17:54
Yeah that's a fair point. We carry 52L and that will last us a long weekend with 2 kids and too adults and that's using it alot (you tend to abuse it when there's pressured water). If we needed to conserve it we could make it last a hell of a lot longer.
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Follow Up By: BamBam - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 18:30

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 18:30
Hi Mike

We are travelling for twelve months as a family starting December.
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Reply By: V8troopie - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 18:46

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 18:46
Here's another idea that works for me: I replaced both running boards on my troopie with hollow ones (home made), these hold 20 litres on each side. I use this water for washing up, it can get quite warm in the sun. Drinking water is carried in plastic jerry cans inside the troopie.
The nice thing about the running board tanks is they do not use any precious space and the weigth is nice and low

Klaus
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Reply By: peterK - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 21:15

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 21:15
I put the 55l bladder on the rear floor and it works ok- my kids are 10 and 11 and they dont mind it- they sit their feet on. I sam an opposite lock one a few weeks ago for 80 dollars.

For GQ - you could aways make a tank and mount it where the aux fuel tank goes on GUs (or as in my GQ) Just an idea
Pete
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 21:17

Thursday, Jul 14, 2005 at 21:17
What sort of vehicle? I had a l/c campervan with a swan brewery keg well tucked up underneath for water storage. Underbody tanks do get very hot though and you are best to keep your drinking water inside and use the underbody one for washing etc
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Follow Up By: BamBam - Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 14:07

Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 14:07
GQ Patrol
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 14:29

Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 14:29
I have a 60ltr wedge shaped stainless tank that fits behind the center seats against cargo barrier in my GQ. Will check the make later. Didnt break the bank, got it off ebay :D
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Reply By: gottabjoaken - Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 15:52

Friday, Jul 15, 2005 at 15:52
Not sure about the bladders in Spring Water Casks, but I do know that the bladders in wine casks will chafe through (inside their boxes) with vibrations from corrugations etc. and they are likely to leak. Maybe worse, they de-laminate and then the wine tastes awful.

Lose 10 litres of water and you might just die. Losing 4 litres of wine is far worse.

lol

Behind seat tanks are great, but don't bolt it firmly to the body. Allow for plenty of movement. You might not believe how much the vehicle flexes under extreme conditions, and a firmly bolted tank might crack at the brackets or vertical welds. That could see you losing your entire supply.

Ken
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