HID lighting

Submitted: Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 21:33
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Anybody interested in HID headlights?
See my website
http://users.bigpond.net.au/dgdelectronics/
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 21:41

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 21:41
Unsolicited advertising on a forum such as this is nothing more than SPAM!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: dgdelectronics - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 21:52

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 21:52
Actually it isn't.
People have already discussed this topic and I am helping them out.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:01

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:01
Actually it is.
At least have the courtesy to buy a membership or pi$$ off.
And aren't those dollar signs just so appropriate.
I don't recall you posting before to offer help or advice to others without thought of reward - perhaps I'm wrong and you'll quote the previous posts you have made.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 23:11

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 23:11
actually genuine advertisers pay on this site Probably the owners are out bush or i suspect this post may be moderated as it is offensive to those that pay to advertise here
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Reply By: dgdelectronics - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:11

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:11
Spam technically is the mass mailing of emails.
If I had seen this exploroz forum before I would have posted to help people out.
When was the last post on HID lights?
Ask me a HID question and I'll help.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:18

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:18
You seem a little confused:

Spam, technically, is a (sort of) meat.

Spam on the net is what you're doing and if you haven't seem this forum before then it's a bit bloody rude to try and push your product on a forum you've never seen before - don't you think?

>When was the last post on HID lights?

I thought you said you knew people had posted about them previously?

Mike Harding
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Reply By: dgdelectronics - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:16

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:16
I apologise for offending you guys.
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Follow Up By: dgdelectronics - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:25

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:25
http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Archive/2005_3/22980.asp
FYI is the last post I can see.
There is no need to be nasty about it.
If I was going to be rude I would have replied to every post.

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Follow Up By: dgdelectronics - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:45

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:45
How do I get the thread deleted for you?
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:50

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:50
Dude dont apologise, just some have their rags on.. bollox to em.
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Reply By: gqpat - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:55

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:55
To Mike no need to get thebleeps up over a post surely there are more important things to worry about these days?????
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 23:14

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 23:14
like stickers for instance :). I Get your point but imagine how this forum would be if every question was answered with advertisers trying to get business or every other post was an ad
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:30

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:30
gqpat:
Absolutely correct but I have a few spare minutes in my schedule following worrying about world poverty and before I start a lengthy concern exercise regarding the on-going Arab/Israeli situation. Of course, despite years of significant periods spent worrying about these "important things", I don't seem to have made a dingo's kidney of difference to them - so I thought, in those few spare minutes, I have a go at something I could change.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 00:11

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 00:11
who gives ableepif its spam, if its a good deal wouldnt you want to hear about it?
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:45

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:45
ME!, this forum would become unusable if it was used for adverts, Perhaps he would consider a page sponsership, And how do you know its a good deal? This is no better than junk mail in your letterbox or do you readf that too (I dont).
Imagine if every poor guy that posts asking why his diesal is blowing smoke gets 5 replys fom repair yards offering to have a look for him and (gawd forbid) every tyre question is followed by tyre merchants telling him his are the best just pop in. People pay good money to advertise properly on this site and this post is nothing but offensive spam no better than some indian ringing up asking if you want to use the telecomunications system he is being payed to flog.
Sorry for getting defensive but this guy is nothing more than a direct marketer
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:49

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:49
I think you need some Ponstan dude, it aint that bigger of a deal...

How do I know if its a good deal? I dont .. but Google didnt bring up his site, so IF its a good deal, people could have gone and paid more than required...

As for the diesel blowing smoke - theres always 2930423094 ideas for the poor sods to run though as it is so theres no real difference
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 19:06

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 19:06
No need for the link dad was a chemist i know exactly what ponston is for. Looks like wqe will have to agree to disagree
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Reply By: muzzimbidgie - Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 19:36

Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 19:36
Yes you can answer a question or two for me.

Why is HID so damned expensive?

Will the price come down once it becomes more well known?

I have been interested in fitting HID lighting in my GU patrol so I don't have to rely on spotlights, but the price at the moment is just out of the question.

Cheers,

Muzz

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Follow Up By: dgdelectronics - Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 21:13

Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 21:13
The reason HID is expensive is because of the following:
- expensive and difficult to manufacture the bulbs.
- there is a electonic ballast which steps the 12V to about 80V to run the lights. This ballast also has to provide a trigger pulse of about 6000V to make the gases ionise. Again costly.

The actual bulbs are now only about $100. They used to be about $600.
Have a look at video projector bulbs (HID), they still are around $600 for the bulb, they are much less common.
The price will and has come down considerably with mass production.
Example: initailly it was only on high end cars such as BMW and Mercs as an option, now they are available on the Statesmans XR6's etc.

The problem with HID is glare to other drivers. You may have to adjust headlights down to reduce glare.
The other issue is you can only have one arc per bulb. So theoretically you can only have a single beam, though they have now figured out that
moving the bulb or a shield you can simulate the high beam.
The other option is replace the bulbs in your spotties (if possible) with HIDs.

The average HID bulb in a car is 35W (~105W halogen), but they are 300% more efficient than halogen bulbs so you get lots more light. You can get 50W (~150W halogen) HID bulbs now also.
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Follow Up By: dgdelectronics - Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 21:15

Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 21:15
Another thing I forgot is they don't have filaments so they are less prone to breakage and last longer.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 21:17

Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 21:17
Can you replace the light globes in 240 lightforces to HID's?

If so what cost, and what sort of heat do they put out - will they damage the housing on the LF's?
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Follow Up By: dgdelectronics - Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 22:00

Monday, Jul 18, 2005 at 22:00
The globes probably could be replaced.
The issue is are the globes replaceable already if so what type are they?
HID's put out heaps of heat typically 400degrees C at the base. They are NOT recommended for plastic housings, unless it is high temp plastic.
You would also need a ballast for each light.
I haven't got pricing yet for the bulbs and ballasts seperately.
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