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Submitted: Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:11
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We have a 1997 Prado V6 and with he current price of fuel at 1.15 and the price of LPG at 0.41 it is very tempting to convert to LPG. We use approx $80.00 a week at the moment and I figured that the price of the system would pay for it self quickly.I am just wondering if anyone out there has had a V6 Prado on LPG and if they have had any problems with there engine. We are thinking about keeping the car for about another 4 years , and my estimate is we could save ourselves approx $6000 in this time after subtracting the cost of the system.
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Reply By: dgdelectronics - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:15

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:15
Not to be negative.
But I've actually heard from a leasing company that the government is going to up the taxes on the LPG to be the same as petrol sometime this year.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matthew L (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:21

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:21
I have heard this rumour as well , maybee next time Im in a cab I will ask the driver
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:39

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:39
The govt told us their intention regarding the tax on LPG long ago, increasing taxation levels to the equal petrol this year or any year was not one of them but yes there will be some increases in future years. A search on the web will reveal the govt intentions. There's been rumours and misinformation about this for sometime now.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:52

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:52
What do the recent changes to LPG tax arrangements really mean?

In late December 2003, the Federal Government announced fuel excise reforms, which will ultimately mean motorists using Autogas will pay an extra 12.5 cpl by 2012.
Currently, fuel excise tax does not apply to Autogas, whereas petrol is taxed at 38.14 cpl. Starting in 2008, fuel excise tax will be added to Autogas at a rate of 2.5 cpl. This will increase by 2.5 cpl for five years, until the fuel excise on Autogas reaches 12.5 cpl in 2012. In today's terms, this will mean that in 2012, motorists will be paying approximately 30% more for Autogas when they fill up. However, it is anticipated that motorists using Autogas in 2012 will still be paying significantly less than those motorists who fill up with petrol.
The Federal Government also announced that between 2008 and 2011, a $1,000 subsidy will be offered to consumers who purchase a dedicated or dual fuel vehicle. However this subsidy is only available to those who purchase new vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Of Mice & Men - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:50

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:50
Hi mathew,
i heard this rumour as well when I was thinking of converting my 4.5 patrol 18 months ago. lucky i never listened then, as my system has already paid it's self off. Just go for it.
OM&M
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Reply By: gqpat - Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:53

Saturday, Jul 16, 2005 at 22:53
Hi mathew depending on k's of prado gas should be ok make sure to fit spiral core leads at same time recommend Bosch sports induction lead .
They do have a habbit of backfiring once the ignition system gets a bit old ,i think has to do with coil packs ?losing output over time...
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Reply By: desray - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 02:31

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 02:31
Dont expect to get the same Ks/litre with gas as petrol. My work ute a BA falcon has just been put on gas and uses 25litres / 100 Ks . The gas may be half the cost of petrol but the car almost uses twice as much on gas.
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:58

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:58
If you're getting that sort of mileage on LPG with your Falcon, there is something seriously wrong with its state of tune. My auto GQ at about 2.5 tonnes gets slightly better than that. At current costings LPG is between 1/3rd and 1/2 the price of petrol.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:11

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:11
Yes take it back to the installer and get the mixture adjusted. It should use about 20% more gas.
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Follow Up By: desray - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 14:48

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 14:48
Thanks guys .The work ute is new not even 2000ks yet and we have a fleet of about 50 of them all doing about the same milage.Suppose we could all try taking it out of second gear. Could be a Falcon thing ,may get better as the car gets a few more Ks on the clock.Glad I dont pay for the fuel though.
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Reply By: Steve - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 17:36

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 17:36
OK Matthew, here we go. (this has been done umpteen times in the past couple of months alone) do a search for more info if you need it. but.....the gov't originally said they would increase tax by 2.5% per year for 5 years starting in 2008. This has been put back to 2010 (or even 2012 can't remember which) so, current costs are 40c and this will increase it to 45c, other market fluctuations notwithstanding.
I had the op done on my Cruiser 100 series about 10 weeks back. I used to get approx 500 ks to a tank of petrol now I only get 450 ks to a tank of Lpg. But, where I live on the Central Coast NSW, petrol is 116c and lpg 37c at our local Shell servo where you get a further 4c per liter when you produce your Coles voucher. From empty I filled up the other day for $30.51c. Yep, 90 liters for thirty bucks. Woolies don't include lpg in their fuel discounts. Make sure your Prado won't get uset with lpg. I know Pajeros don't like it. Start with your Toyota dealer or ring John on 02 43676748. He used to intall but doesn't anymore and so has no vested interest in advising. Don't tell him I told you, - he's a busy man.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 18:14

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 18:14
typo errors near end should read, "make sure Prado won't get upset" and "he used to install"
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Reply By: guts - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 18:36

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 18:36
G'day,
I have a 97 RV6 Prado (auto) on gas. Aroung town it is spot on and goes really well and is alot cheatper than pumping ULP into it. When 4WDing (usually with a CT) it is a bit under powered so we just run it on petrol for this. It tows the CT on the open road without any dramas. One thing to watch is they remove your main petrol tank to install the gas tank so you do lose some fuel capacity.
Hope this helps
Guts
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Follow Up By: Member - Matthew L (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 20:26

Sunday, Jul 17, 2005 at 20:26
GdAY Guts, Our Prado is a 97 RV6 Auto as well. How long has it been on gas and have you ever had any problems.
Thanks in Advance
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Reply By: guts - Wednesday, Jul 20, 2005 at 20:23

Wednesday, Jul 20, 2005 at 20:23
Mattew L
Sorry for the delay in replying but the computer has been in for repairs.
My Prado was on gas when I bought it about 12 months ago but the compliance plate says 2000 and it has now done 178000km. It does backfire rarly on starting but hasn't done any damage yet (touch wood). It can also be be difficult to start rarly but you just flick it to petrol and it starts no problems. As long as you do the K's to justify the initial expense and you have it serviced regularly I would recommend it. My Prado has a Tank that is around 69 litres (usable) and I get around 300km around town and 400km on the Hwy. It also has a lift kit and big tyres so this causes it to be a bit heavier on the juice.
I hope this helps, if you have any more queries my email is guts@netconnect.com.au
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