80 Series TD Smokes (Blue) when cold
Submitted: Thursday, Nov 28, 2002 at 01:00
ThreadID:
2491
Views:
7942
Replies:
9
FollowUps:
10
This Thread has been Archived
Wil
G'day
I had all the compression
test done prior to purchase and everything was sweet. But notice that there was blue smoke, underload, when the engine is cold. Is that common amoung Toyota Turbo Diesel?
Mine is a 24V 4.2 TD (1997 model). Didn't like the 100 because of the IFS.
Reply By: Bob Y. - Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Wil, Have the same model as yours, and it smokes when cold at idle. Doesn't appear once hot. The smoke looks blue, but after 196,000 kms it doesn't use any oil. Been a good vehicle with few problems, put on 3" exhaust, and it makes it better. Pulls better and economy is improved a little. Regards...
AnswerID:
9103
Reply By: Will - Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Wil,
Blue/
grey smoke when cold indicates incomplete combustion, it is OK in winter until it warms up a little but if it still smokes this time of the year and compression etc is OK as you indicated, you need to get the injectors done.
Depends on where you are, if you are in
Sydney call West End Diesel or Hiflo in
Melbourne.
Will
AnswerID:
9105
Follow Up By: Wil - Sunday, Dec 01, 2002 at 01:00
Sunday, Dec 01, 2002 at 01:00
Hi the Will
Did a good 370 Km today to a mate's
farm & back and the Cruiser ran really
well. This guy I visited has a 100s (1998) intercooled 1HD-TE and he said his doesn't smoke at all. I am beginnig to suspect that it could be the Turbo unit that could be leaking a bit and coming out as blue fumes when fired up. After warming it goes away. What do you reckon?
FollowupID:
4603
Follow Up By: Wil - Sunday, Dec 01, 2002 at 01:00
Sunday, Dec 01, 2002 at 01:00
Hi there Will
Did a good 370 Km today to a mate's
farm & back and the Cruiser ran really
well. This guy I visited has a 100s (1998) intercooled 1HD-TE and he said his doesn't smoke at all. I am beginnig to suspect that it could be the Turbo unit that could be leaking a bit and coming out as blue fumes when fired up. After warming it goes away. What do you reckon?
FollowupID:
4604
Reply By: Janset - Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Hi Will.
The bluish smoke I do not think is unburnt fuel as that is usually black in colour.
Bluish smoke indicates oil being burnt, and only happening when cold indicates to me that you are getting an slight oil leak-down from your valve guides.
Over a period of time, the seals on the valve guides goes hard and brittle thus allowing oil to creep past. This is not an area of concern.
I would say in your case, as the vehicle is standing, a small amount of oil is seeping past. When you fire up the old girl this seeped oil is burnt off until it is gone.
Some times this oil smoking can be induced/simulated by finding a long
hill and while driving down-
hill take your foot off the pedal letting it coast down
hill still in gear.
Chances are you wont see it unless bad. Get someone to drive behind you and take a look at your exhaust.
As I said before, in your case it does not appear to be an area of concern.
If you are very concerned you can do a compression
test to determine where the oil is coming from. Easy in older petrol engines but more difficult in diesels as the compression is very high which does not allow much room between the piston and the head to accommodate the oil you would have to squirt into the chamber to make this
test.
I would not worry about it in you case.
Regards
AnswerID:
9115
Follow Up By: Will - Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
janset,
Sorry mate but I will have to disagree with that, black smoke is soot particulates which do not burn (incomplete burn) due to lack of oxigen ie: too much fuel metered by the pump or a faulty pump or leaking injectors.
Blue smoke on a cold diesel is incomplete combustion due to low combustion chamber temperatures (diesel is oil remember?)
Although I agree that the blue smoke could be oil from the crankase ie: valve guides or rings, on an engine that age and with good compression it is most likelly injectors not atomising properly which along with cold temperatures in the combustion chamber do not complete the combustion.
Regards,
Will
FollowupID:
4557
Follow Up By: Will - Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Janset,
One thing I forgot to mention, the downhill
test only applies to petrol powered vehicles with a throttle butterfly, when you close the throttle the vaccum forces oil past the valve guides and rings and hence the smoke.
On a diesel (like the cruiser) there is no batterfly and no vacuum, plus the injector pump cuts all fuel to the injectors on coasting above 1500 rpm.
Will
FollowupID:
4558
Follow Up By: Wil - Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Hi Janset
Took the Big Girl for a blat and had a mate following. There was a small trace of blue smoke while I tried all sorts of heavy footed moves. Could not see anything else. He say it looks very normal. Will take her fro a good run over the week end & report back.
I wouldn't mind some comment from the Cruiser community to see if this is normal?
FollowupID:
4560
Follow Up By: Janset - Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
Friday, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:00
OK Will.
I stand corrected on the blue smoke. What you say does make sense. The only reason I mentioned the above
test was because I had the same problem on my first Troopie............But then, you picked it, it was a carby petrol motor.
I think I will now crawl under my little
rock again :)
Regards
FollowupID:
4563
Reply By: Will - Monday, Dec 02, 2002 at 01:00
Monday, Dec 02, 2002 at 01:00
Will,
I agree with Phil G.
Enjoy it....
I give you one last hint...
I bought a new Patrol GU 4.2 TD in 99 and it did that from day one, also the
test drive vehicle did it.
Also a friend just bought a new one 02 model and it does the same thing...
100 series one is a computer controlled engine and you cannot compare them.
Will
AnswerID:
9206