polyair bags pressure
Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 20:35
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Member - John Thomas B (VIC)
Good evening gentlemen could someone help me Im doing
Simpson Desert in a few weeks in my 80 series loaded up>just wonder what would be a prefered PSI for the polyair bags on the rear as the going could be demanding.
Dont wantebreakem
Best regards
JACKPOT
Reply By: Member - Jack - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 20:41
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 20:41
I think the best idea is to load your vehicle up then pump the airbags until you have the vehicle level. No idea what pis that might come in at, but as levelling the vehicle is the intended purpose of the bags, that is where I would start.
I had the Firestone ones and that was how I worked it.
Jack
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Follow Up By: Member - John Thomas B (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 20:51
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 20:51
Thanks Jack
The recomended PSI is between 20 & 30 PSI however just wondered if the type of trip might covern the PSI.a little.
11/09/05 Im out of here
Regards
JACKPOT
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:08
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:08
According to Firestone that is totally the wrong way to do it. They say pressure then load.
We just did the
Simpson Desert & had the bags at 30psi, I believe the maximum is 35psi & minimum 5psi.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:16
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:16
I think the max I ever did my bags (from memory) was around 26psi. Not sure on the Firestone thing as it does not have that in the instructions I have here, but it could still be right. But if you load up and the rear still sags, you still have to pump them up further. Hence I did it the other way around with no ill effects.
I know that unladen they suggest about 5psi (as Jon Thomas said). I had to buy a digital gauge to be able to inflate them to that as the normal gauges dont do much under 10psi.
Good things though, these airbags.
Jack
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 20:51
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 20:51
John,
I had polyairs in my old GQ and teh system of loading the vehicle and then levelling it using the bags is what was recommended to me.
While I never did the Simpson with them I did travel extensively including
Cape York and
the desert parks of NW Victoria and had no problems with the polyairs using that system. I have done the Simpson in the GU and without the polyairs and wished I could have got the tail of my car a little higher. Poly's would have been nice.
If you got any litterature when you purchasd the polys it should suggest a max psi.
Duncs
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Reply By: uncle - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:00
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:00
Hi there John,we gave our new Polyairs a test 2 weeks ago,on a trip into
Bendethera.We had the Pajero fully loaded and ran 14 psi,with OME shocks all round and went superbly.I reckon that 20 in your cruiser would be about right,depending on the
suspension set up.Cheers and all the best on your journey.
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Follow Up By: Member - John Thomas B (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:15
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:15
Thanks Fella,s
Im sure you pump up then load (bit like...)the land cruiser is the burger with the lot Heavy Duty springs.
SMELL THE FREEDOM COMING
JACKPOT
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Follow Up By: Member - John Thomas B (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:18
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 21:18
Forgot Koni shockers allround.
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Reply By: Trekkie - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 22:41
Tuesday, Aug 02, 2005 at 22:41
We did the Simpson this time last year. I had Polyairs on 100 series TD towing a Kimberly - No problems at all - Used around 20 to 25 psi. Interesting that I fitted the Polyairs on recommendation of Service Manager at a Toyota Dealer.
My mate in an 80 Series also with a
Kimberley had all sorts of problems on the Simpson even with modified
suspension. When we got to
Bundaberg, he fitted Polyairs and has never had a problem since (
Cape York etc)
Polair specifically say NOT to inflate with a load. Pump them up first. Also always maintain at least 5 psi.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 08:34
Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 08:34
I agree with Trekkie on this, pump them up FIRST !!! then load your car.
Minimum pressure is definately 5psi. I would usually run
mine to 30 psi, load my car then drop pressure until car is level. most trips it would drop down to 22-25 psi to level 4b off. And yes, they have been a very handy item installed. Have had the odd occasion where the body bottomed out at rear, so pumped bags up a few psi and got through without damage then drop back down to where they were set. Just give you that extra lift at rear when in need.
Ange
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Reply By: Member - Jiarna (NT) - Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 01:14
Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 01:14
Hi
We just crossed the Simpson twice. 20psi in the air bags, and 18psi in the tyres, worked fine on our 80 series.
Cheers
John
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Reply By: Member - Cocka - Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 07:07
Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 07:07
Morn'n JT
Everyones loaded weight will be different, also the load spread.
In general running adound mode measure up to the wheel arch from the bottom edge of tyre rim on the rear
wheels. Note the measure.
Load up with air bags low pressure. Now pump up bags until you get back to measured height again.
The main purpose of PAB's is to keep vehicle level - then the headlights will remain focused at the level where they are meant to be.
The big tyres are the real pressure issue in
the desert & stoney country.
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 09:53
Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 09:53
Here's the good oil from Airlift on the the www.truckspring.com site.....
Operation
1. Inflate the air springs to 35 p.s.i. before adding the payload. After vehicle is loaded, adjust the air pressure down to level the
vehicle for ride comfort.
2. When carrying a payload, it will be useful to increase the tire pressure in proportion to any overload condition. A 2 p.s.i.
increase above normal is recommended (do not exceed manufacturer’s maximum) for each 100 lbs of load on the axle.
See
http://www.truckspring.com/airsprings/airlift/instruc/MN-133.pdf
Makes sense to me - in my view, expecting the bags to push up a big load with 35psi is vastly different to 'conditioning the springing' with the blown/moulded bags first, and then letting the load down onto the spring/bag combo.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 14:02
Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 14:02
Spot on mate..........
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 16:24
Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 16:24
Yep I agree, but in saying that I reguarly run
mine at 30-35psi with a full load and have done some pretty rough s%it that way without any problems... They are the duck nuts IMO. ( I run the Firestones ).
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