standard campertrailers verses outback models
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clanscott
Hi,
We are looking at buying a Jayco Swan or similar camper trailer with the hope of travelling the Strzelecki & Tanami type tracks. We are receiving conflicting information as to whether we need an Outback model or not. We have been adviced we can raise the height of the standard camper by placing the axel under
the springs, and that an outback model is of no advantage. We would really appreciate some advice! Thank you.
Reply By: Tessysdad - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 00:49
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 00:49
Have a look around and I think you will see that the outback models offer more than an underslung axle for a bit of body clearance. The chassis is heavier, the electric brakes bigger, the
wheels and tyres far more substantial, they have shock absorbers (very important) and (I could be mistaken on this one) the frame structure in the walls is heavier. Whether or not these things add up to the extra dollars you pay may be argueable but the difference is definitely more than skin deep.
Happy
camping,
Jan and Mike
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Reply By: Member - Kimberly Kruiser (WA) - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 02:36
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 02:36
clanscott
The outback models are definately constructed a bit more robustly than the on road models, frame, chassis and running gear and if you intend heading off road probably a smarter choice in the first place. Better than buying something not up to spec and trying to make it what it aint!
Just my two bobs worth.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member Jeff & Lyn (WA) - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 02:45
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 02:45
Jan & Mike
We recentley purchased a Jayco StarCraft 12 ft, Upgraded springs to non slip type
and reversed axel, to have 500mm ground clearance.
Added extra
water tank, and hot
water system.
Since we have travelled some 3,000 km on outback gravel tracks from
Perth to
Karratha, including some very wet , slippery and muddy roads with no real problems.Except two flat tyres
Easily kept up with chums with campers!
If you havent got a sola pannel and deep cycle battery, get one,
Great to charge batterys in your camera, mobile ,or laptop
Best of luck and have A GREAT TIME.
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Reply By: Member - Russell S - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 08:21
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 08:21
When you say outback model I presume you mean a particular version of a Jayco..... If yes, I'm not sure it matters what you buy. The tracks you mentioned are like roads these days, although they might get rough with corrugations etc. If that's all you're going to do with it, then clearance, articulation etc isn't really a problem - it just might shake to bits. They are nothing like an Aussie Swag,
Kimberley or Ultimate, but they probably cost less too! If you're going to use it for a lot of
miles over some really rugged terrain, I wouldn't buy a Jayco, but a lot of people do and some seem happy with them - I'm not a fan myself. Good luck - bottom line, get out there in the bush.
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Follow Up By: hanson - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 09:50
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 09:50
Hi Russell, we owned outback flamingo (jayco) basicly the outback is different version, stronger chassis, howev er once u get above floor level it's the same as ordinary jayco and will shake itself to bits. Rivets on doors, cupboard shelves. ..... we modified
suspension and put in box tubing above axle and then added additional coil springs from axle to box tubing above, also reinforced shockie mounts with 10ml gussets. We travelled
Gibb River Kalumburu and
Mitchell Falls with no probs on
suspension unlike others we saw with shockie mounts busted off. Would you believe Jayco in Pth could not say whether it could travell up there or not, bloody joke. We now have off road dual axle coramal pop top and did GBB this year and nth on
Cape Leveque Rd and no probs at all.
Soo I believe people are fooling themselves if they think they can go offroad with the outback version without modifications... u need as u suggest the real thing.
Anyway happy travelling everybody and know your limitations, there is always compromise...
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Reply By: Peter W - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 10:53
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 10:53
Hi Clanscott,
Have owned a Jayco Outback Eagle for 3 and a bit years now and find it a lot of fun. Especially good given the great space you have when set up with beds
well and truly away from the "living" area. This is a real advantage if your stay anywhere is of some duration.
However, in regard to the "outback" capabilities, I must say they are somewhat limited to roughish roads only and should not be considered for extreme outback travel. My general usage with the
Mereenie Loop road (NT) and some outback
camping on the
Murray River the only areas off the bitumen, has resulted in shock absorber brackets breakage (both), tap outlet cracking/leakage (twice) and some minor fittings damage from corrugation shaking.
The construction of the "outback" models is certainly better equipped for rough work than the standard series-and this is why you pay more-but even the Jayco people in
Melbourne, when pressed, agree that the units are not suited to the "real" outback. (of course you are not alerted to this fact by any sales people).
Summary: If you are looking for a spacious,
well appointed camper that is a little bit heavy duty and one that will mainly be used on the bitumen with some off road usage to get to out of the way
camp sites, then the Jayco outback is the one.
IF you are more adventurous and require travel in the rough and tough regions this unit should not be your choice unless you make major alterations toward strength.
This is only my opinion and I hope it is of assistance. Goodluck with whatever you decide and any decision will be right because you are about to travel God's country.
Cheers.
Peter W.
"Life is not a Rehearsal."
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 12:15
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 12:15
Clanscott,
I've recently completed an 8k trip from
Perth to
Warburton and Alice via
Mereenie Loop Road. Rest of it was on the bitumen due to the rain closing the roads.
On the way I came across four breakdowns. Three of them were camper trailers.
One had a broken axle out of
Warburton. Flat desolate part of the country, they'd set up a tarp and were waiting for a replacement. Not sure what type of camper.
One was a broken spring hanger which led to a rollover of the camper and destruction of the A frame as it twisted. This family had borrowed the camper from a friend and broke it on the
Mereenie Loop road out of Hermansburg. Another couple travelling with them had a heavier duty camper and it hadn't broken - at the time. The broken camper had white spoked 'off road'
wheels which may have given them some false sense of security, as the spring hanger weld had just given way on the rough roads.
Mereenie Loop road is 'not recommended for caravans'.
The other camper had hitch problems.
Clearance is not an issue for travelling these roads in general. Strength of your chassis and running gear is.
Tim
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Follow Up By: lemons - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 18:16
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 18:16
Yes Tim, I aw similar events on the Gt Central and Plenty.
One bloke was being creative and using hardware-
shop wire-rope and cable locks to tether his axl from further wanderings.
From what I've seen, caravan and trailer axles need some sort of 'tramp-rod' to keep them in their proper place. Shockies are a must if you travel on top of the corrugations.
Please consider the harmonics that are generated on axles before you head off. There may be after-market add-ons, but properly designed off-road set-ups are your best bet if you need to tow.
A mate of
mine pulled the entire rear chassis section off his old landcruiser complete with hitch driving around the
Pilbara with a small van.
lemons
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Reply By: clanscott - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 20:39
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 20:39
Thanks everyone for your input. You have certainly given us food for thought! As we have 3
young children we were looking for comfort as
well as durability and flexibility. At this stage I don't think we will be doing any serious off road towing, but we thought it would be nice to have the option. It appears that the outback models are not as fool proof as we had been lead to believe. We are still considering the Swan, but will certianly do some modifications and take care to not to take it into situations which we do not consider it to be cabable of handling. It sounds like for serious off roading really requires Kimberly Kamper type trailer, not camper. We certainly want to avoid any disasters and appreciate the advice you have given. We are looking forward to travelling and perhaps meeting some of you during our journey.
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Reply By: rhonda2 - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 20:44
Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 20:44
Hi there, we have just returned from GRR, also
Cape Leveque, Tanamai Track., Kalumubaru, Mithchell Plateau, towing a Cavalier Camper ( not off road model) and never had any problems at all, did see off road camper tailers with problems tho, We are of the opinion that its how you drive on these roads that is the secret, Let common sense prevail and drive according to the conditions.Hope you enjoy your new whatever you do purchase. Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - John C (QLD) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 08:03
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 08:03
The above posts do cover the general difference between trailers.
However, in particular regard to the Strezlecki, I had a friend tow a standard van with a 2wd car up that track late last year without any problem. They stuck to the main track used for supplying the gas fields. They had done an axle under conversion.
Take it careful around
Innamincka, the gibber country is a concern with tyres. You might need a take it a little slower.
Not sure about the Tanami, but I understand it is almost a road these days too. In both cases wet weather is a different story.
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