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Submitted: Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:05
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Hi Guys, sorry read previous posts and did not find anything definative.

Saw $79 special prepaid CDMA phone from telsta. As I don't have a Sat phone or HF will this give me better coverage than the normal Digital network. Is it worth having in the glovebox.

Your thoughts wise ones

Skinny
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Reply By: Willb - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:14

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:14
Hi Skinny, I have a CDMA and am very happy with it (on Orange network but roams on the Telstra network when out of range of Orange network).
One thing to consider is if the phone accepts an external antennae via a patch cable, because that makes a big difference. And cable and antannae are not that much for a basic setup.
My wife has the same phone and even without the antennae she has a "bigger footprint" then my kids digital.
Of course it still has limited coverage for emergency use.
But much better than digital IMHO.
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Reply By: Trekkie - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:35

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:35
I have used CDMA for over 12 months. Almost the same coverage in Capital Cities, but far better in the country. Many country towns do not have normal Digital (I understand that CDMA was built on the old analogue systems used by Telstra, so when analogue ceased, Telstra converted most of their infrastructure to CDMA.)

You will notice far better coverage in the Country
It is not a substitute for Satellite in remote areas
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:19

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:19
Trekkie, the only thing in common with the old analogue system is the frequency band, tho they prob still use the old towers. The technology is digital, but without the 32km timing limit of GSM, and quite different in its technology to GSM. Telstra's early tests showed 120km range from certain hilltops, but as with all VHF and UHF, line-of-sight is the general rule, signal strength being the limiting factor, rather than pure distance. I was quite surprised at its performance in heavy timber in the SW of WA, 30km from the base, tho I was probably lucky.
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Follow Up By: Member - John C (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:10

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:10
Made a phone call 94k out of Quilpie once on CDMA.
Flat as a tack scrub country and down to 2 bars out of 5 for reception.
Beats GSM any day. But you still need a tower to work!
No good at Windorah or further west.
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Reply By: Member - Robyn J (QLD) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:48

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:48
cdma certainly works better than the normal digital when travlling. Travelled from qld to WA and back and had both phones not many places outside of the largest towns that the digital worked. You do need one that can connect to an external aerial - not all units do, as this makes a huge difference to the reception of the phone.
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:52

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:52
CDMA is only good for 25km either side of a town that has the tower. I have heard of travellers getting a signal up to 100km in distance with an outside vehicle mounted aerial. It is however not a phone for emergencies. If you have a UHF radio it will do better than the phone in out of the way places. If you are doing serious remote travel then a HF Radio or Satphone or EPIRB is a must.
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:19

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:19
Preparation is a must.
Then Satphone.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:21

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:21
Forgot the CDMA network is getting better and although I hired a satphone the CDMA did the job for general yapping and the Satphone was left for emergency if needed.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Follow Up By: CubCamperMan - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:35

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:35
Willem days CDMA is only good for 25km either side of a town that has the tower that is mighty wrong statement
we have telstra at work give us lesson on CDMA for emergncy use and tell us climb to top of hill or climb tree if no signl
work country all time and signal on hand phone sometime 60 k
put on external aerial sometime 100 k
GSM 36 k from tx why company change to CDMA
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 18:15

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 18:15
Well, Cubcamperman seeing as you are so all knowing. Please do come and live here in the outback and travel through the smaller towns and see for yourself. It also depends on the type of CDMA phone you have., Some are better than others. This last weekend we were 15km from Burra on the other side of the hill....NO SIGNAL

Climb a tree. Hmmmm maybe on the Nullarbor or a Hill for that matter. Depends how agile you are. If you are taking about country just where are you talking about? Country Victoria or country NSW?

Its is about time that Telstra pulled their socks up to give us CDMA infrastructure along all the major roads in the country.
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Follow Up By: GreenTreeFrog - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 18:48

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 18:48
Willem I live and travel in rural Aus every day
what you say is wrong
Telstra have marvellous coverage on CDMA and places you would never expect
look at the coverage maps and learn
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 19:17

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 19:17
Well Froggie...Go take a drive up the Stuart Hwy from Port Augusta to Darwin and hear and see for yourself. Or better still, drive up to the Flinders Ranges. CDMA phones are pretty much like UHF Radios. If you are up high enough you may be lucky to get the odd signal if there is a tower in the vicinity

Or come to Eyre Peninsula whewre farmers and country residents have been begging Telstra for services.

Birdsville, hub of thw Simpson Desert with a huge drive through population. NOT in the forseeable future.

Don't tell me I am wrong Get your facts right instead. I have the latest Telstra CDMA coverage pamphlet here in front of me.

The original question was about travelling in the outback as the person travelling did not have a Satphone or a HF radio the person

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:29

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:29
Nothing like a good argument although not as interesting as Nissan v Toyota I will give my 2 bobs worth. You are both right to some extent. Living where I do there is a fair bit of driving in and out of signals. I would say cdma is in general terms good for 25 to 40 k depending if you are on a bit of a hill or in a bit of a depression (considerably further if on a genuine hill). The BIG difference is at least here in WA the farming areas are well covered by CDMA making it much more effective. I have had reception In the carpark at Mt Ragged (look that up Willem Cape Arid NP) and At the top of Mt Pasely Eastern end of Poison creek. Where I live on camp there is no digital coverage 55km from a tower even on a hill but there is CDMA. Once you start heading North of Kal Cdma drops out about 50 km south of Menzies (there is a tower Nth of Kal) and after that there is only coveredge about 30 km from laverton and then Leinster.
And GreenTreeFrog while it does have cdma coveredge in places you wouldnt expect it also has none in places you would!
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Reply By: Traveller - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:24

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:24
Question was: "will this give me better coverage than the normal Digital network".

Answer: A resounding YES. There is no comparison!
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Reply By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:37

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:37
Over here in rural South West and Great Southern W.A. - CDMA beats Digital hands down. We have CDMA coverage in MANY towns that don't have - and will probably never have - digital. And the coverage keeps increasing.

Of course SATPHONE and HF will do better than CDMA - but Digital doesn't do anywhere near as good as CDMA - so digital is a poor choice.

The original question said "will this (CDMA) give me better coverage than the normal Digital network" and the answer is yes.

Of course - it would be really fantastic if the coverage was extended to follow major highways with large distance between towns - like Eyre Highway.

Jeff

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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:54

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:54
CDMA, with a good handset choice (not all are good !) runs really well in the sticks, BUT do not rely on any phone type for safety related communications. That would be a mistake. I boughta a Kyocera 3245 (not around now - seems the 4400 is the go) based on good reports on this forum - has been a winner to date and gets good coverage well outside the GSM range. Some CDMA models in some brands are a real disappointment, according to "reports".
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Reply By: wresat - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 12:22

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 12:22
If you’re planning on travelling, don’t even consider a GSM phone. CDMA is by far superior in coverage. Follow link to Telstra web site to compare coverage between GSM and CDMA.

http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/networks/coverage/index.htm

Most country towns only have CDMA. From the coverage maps, Leith Creek in SA is an example, another is Tibooburra in NSW. Incidentally, when I was last at Tibooburra some two years back, I was able to make a telephone call 78km north of the town (distance measured line of line) using an old CDMA Qualcomm 860 phone with a 6bB external antenna. I have since upgraded to a Nokia 6225 CDMA phone with an antenna patch lead to the same 6dB external antenna and have found the performance in regards to coverage to be even better (best so far was 92km out from Thargomindah). Everybody will have different stories, both good and bad, but remember the each brand of phone is slightly different and will therefore have different results.

That’s my story
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