rear wheel carrier
Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 04:55
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big fella
hi all you engineer types out there i am looking at making my own rear wheel carrier and was wondering if any one could tell me what size square tube would be the best to use
Regards CHEF
Reply By: Russel & Mary - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 06:21
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 06:21
Chef. I would use 75 x 75 x 5mm. A lot of vibration will occur on the back end of 4x4's over rough roads and prolonged vibration leads to metal fatigue. Under engineer something and you end up paying more than double. Rus.
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Follow Up By: bob@judy - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 05:14
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 05:14
You are quite right about the wheel weight & the forces involved but adding more kgs than needed to support the wheel would more than likely damage the area needed to support the carrier.Hairy is on the right track with his sizes, probaly 40x40x3 RHS would suffice.
As I said its the mounting that matters, whatever you mount the lot too has to take all the stress especially as you look like hitting washouts at 100k's.
Bob
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Reply By: bob@judy - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:38
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:38
Chef, you could tow a trailer using 75x75x5 RHS. Methinks Rus has gone a bit overboard with his recommendation.Suggest you check out other carriers & if you think they look flimsy then increase metal thickness but its where the mounting is that matters.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Russel & Mary - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:47
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:47
Yes you're right, you could tow a trailer with that; even half that. I was thinking, say a spare wheel ( not a namby pamby one) weighs 40 kg. When you hit that washaway rut at 100 kph would that weight on the carrier now be double, even 100 kg of force. If all the driving you do is around the city then you don't need an extra spare, but corrugations, potholes etc will play merry hell with flimsy lightweight brackets. Rus.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 09:21
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 09:21
You've got a point there Rus... Some time ago I came across a site with some basic engineering calculations for many things 4WD... I should have it somewhere, will look it up tonight when I get home. As for the rear wheel carrier, I think it was an ARB model they tested and I think the wheel complete with tyre was around 35-40kg. With their formulae they estimated the shock loading on the carrier would be up to 6 times the weight of the wheel depending on the speed of the vehicle and the prevailing road conditions... That's potentially 240 odd kg banging around on the back...
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:43
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:43
Have a look at post No 25433.
Wayne has built his own and has included photos with his description.
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Reply By: Hairy - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 09:15
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 09:15
I built
mine out of 50x50x5mm rhs, I would say even that is a bit of overkill. I would have used 3mm wall if I had some laying around. A lot of the stress is at the pivot and at the bottom of the upright so if you gusset the corner and use a stub axle off an old trailer axle as the pivot you should have no trouble. I mounted
mine off the tow bar (genuine toyota, same as hayman reese) instead of the bumper.
If you want some photos I could probably email some.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: big fella - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:31
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:31
hairy thanks for the replie i would for some photos as i have a rodeo and dont want to put a rear bar on there so that sounds ideal for what i want
Regards CHEF
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Follow Up By: AT4WD ADVENTURES - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 23:34
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 23:34
Hey Hairy,
I would love to see your pics as I have been thinking about making one for my 100 series for years and like the idea of attaching to the towbar.
Regards,
Stuart
PS Please send to
at4wd 'at' ozemail 'dot' com 'dot' au
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Follow Up By: big fella - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 18:52
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 18:52
hairy my email address is lilyeve@iprimus.com.au
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 09:38
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 09:38
I don't like spare wheel carriers on the back as the wheel is hard to get up there. I made a false floor in the rear where I keep
mine. No heavy lifting, much cheaper and storage space for
tools and no stuffing around to open the back doors and my dog sits on top of the false floor
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Follow Up By: big fella - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:33
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:33
hi ray thanks for the reply if you have some photos i would like to see them
Regards CHEF
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Follow Up By: Ray Bates - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 19:21
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 19:21
Sorry Chef but i do not have any photos bur perhaps I can explian. Icut a piece of DMF to the size of the floor. In my vehicle I have some anchor points in the floor. The DMF base is bolted to this. The base is profiled to go around the wheel arches. I have you some light aluminium angle that support two DMF uprights. These uprights are just high enough to allow the spare wheel to fit. Another piece of DMF makes up the top and there is a section at the back (front of vehicle) to give rigitity to the "box" I also have a cargo barrier and the whole thing is fixed to this also but you do not have to use DMF any material will do.
I find that this system works very
well as I am 68yrs old and find that I can get the spare in an out with ease by breaking it over the tail
gate and pushing it under the false floor. I also keep other things in there like tool box, jack anvarious other thing that I do not want exposed. When the tailgate is closed you cannot see what is underneith.
I hope that this is of some use to you
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Follow Up By: big fella - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:30
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:30
thanks ray
Regards CHEF
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Reply By: Drew - Karratha - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 10:08
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 10:08
I made
mine out of 50 x 50 x 5 and so far it has survived the GRR 3 times, including up to
Mitchell Plateau on the most corrugated road I have ever been on (
well, actually I only finished it the day before we left and I did manage to break the latch to hold it closed on that trip, but I modified that after the trip). I used standard Holden Hubs and stub axles as the pivot point on each arm with the hub mounted in the bar and the stub axle mounted on the arms. This way there isnt anything sticking up out of the bar when you remove one of the arms. As long as the latching mechanism is secure and firm (I purchased heavy duty Opposite Lock units) it takes a lot of the weight of the wheel off the actual arms when bouncing along on corrugations... Let me know if you want pictures
Drew
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Follow Up By: big fella - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:34
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:34
hi drew i would love some photos
Regards CHEF
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Follow Up By: AT4WD ADVENTURES - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 23:35
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 23:35
Hey Drew,
I would love to see your pics as
well as I have been thinking about making one for my 100 series for years and would like to get some info on your ideas.
Regards,
Stuart
PS Please send to
at4wd 'at' ozemail 'dot' com 'dot' au
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Follow Up By: Drew - Karratha - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 10:01
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 10:01
G'day Chef
Could you forward your address to me and I will send some photos. I dont know how to do it on here - unless someone could tell me how to??
My Email is
Drew.Grant@det.wa.edu.au
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Follow Up By: AT4WD ADVENTURES - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 21:57
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 21:57
Drew,
Thanks for photos....nice job on the build....it has given me some ideas. Now if only Hairy could send me some.
Regards,
Stuart.
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Reply By: hazo - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:22
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:22
Hi Drew
Would be interested in any pictures too as I've toyed with the idea of making one for 100 series on standard bumper and could never figure out how and what to use for pivot ?
Thanks for any help Brian.
Perth
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Follow Up By: Drew - Karratha - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 10:07
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 10:07
Hi Brian,
As above could you please send me an Email address that I could send the photos to. I replaced the whole bumber section for
mine, but it might give you a few ideas for the pivot.
Drew
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Follow Up By: Drew - Karratha - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 14:26
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 14:26
I actually replaced the whole bumper - not bumber....
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