map reading

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:45
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I know I'm dumb,but how do I go about learning to read map co-ordinates and then translate those to something my gps will understand.(A uniden gps 105 )
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:57

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 18:57
Gronk

A good place to start would be to get a digital map. $100 will get you a 1:250000 for the whole of Australia. (Natmap)

These maps come with software which enable you to display them on a computer and you can zoom in and out etc. Importantly, they show the lat and long for the cursor position.

While I can link my GPS to the map, I have often used it separately.

If you find where you want to go on the map you can tell the GPS to go there and it will give bearing distance etc to show the way.

If you don't know where you are, you can reverse the above. Get your position from the GPS and put these co-ordinates into the map (most allow this) and the map will centre on that position with the cursor showing where you are on the map.

You can read about GPS and mapping on lots of sites such as this one and others like johnny appleseed ja-gps.com.au

Hope this helps and welcome to the wonderful world of GPS navigation and digital maps

Alan
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Reply By: rob&kev&roo - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 19:07

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 19:07
i am obviously just as bumb but why do you need a map if you have a gps, i thought we got a gps so we didn't have to read maps anymore
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:17

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:17
because the gps unless you have a fancy one only gives you coordinates and maybe waypoints. from this you can find where you are on the map wher the tracks are to get to the point and more importantly where the waypoints are. Co ordinates are nothing but numbers without a map to relate them to
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:23

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:23
Unfortunately Rob....alot of people think the same as you!! A GSP is an aid to navigation the same as a compass is and aid! You still need the map to navigate, the gps will just make that navigation more accurate.

Dont get me wrong....you can still without a map, jump in the car with the gps on and drive around blindly and not get lost...but thats just returning to home...its not navigating!

If you can learn to use all the aids available to you, like compass, maps, gps, plotter, protractors etc then you will surely be more confident and a better navigator.

Imagine...shock horror..if you gps died or your pda with all your maps crashed in the middle of nowhere! Bet you would love an old paper map then!!

Enjoy
Matt
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Reply By: Gronk - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 19:22

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 19:22
Its only a cb radio come gps , so i need to put in co-ordinates for a turnoff for example so the unit can then beep and tell me I'm there.
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Follow Up By: SteveL - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:08

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:08
You need to set the GPS to the same datum and coordinates (UTM or lat/long usually) as your map.I'm not familiar with how to do this on the Uniden CB-GPS. -Steve
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Reply By: Member - Brad G (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:04

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:04
Try one of your local marine rescue units. If you let me know where you are I could could reccommend the cloet for you, another option is your local SES unit who should be able to do the same.
Cheers Brad
President - Volunteer Marine Rescue - SA
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:19

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:19
Go to your local mapshop Geoscience australia has a booklet that tells you how and also has a scale ruler to work out the coords to imput into your gps. all for $2.50
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Follow Up By: Steve - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 18:11

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 18:11
yep. Seconded. Those little booklets are excellent for the basics and the clever/handy little scaled measuring device/compass that comes with it for $2.50. Cannot go wrong.
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Reply By: 120scruiser - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:21

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 20:21
4 x 4 Australia had an excellent article on map reading in their gold label edition.
It was single page right ups spread through the whole mag. 12 pages I think.
You should be able to get a copy from mag shop. It started with the basics and went right through. A good read. I photo copied it as I teach map reading with the Rural Fire Service so it was a good hand out.
I think it was just before christmas but I can't put a date on it.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 21:24

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 21:24
Thanks,I might try and get a copy.
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Reply By: viz - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 21:48

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 21:48
Map reading is an art that is not learnt easily. I think that the OP is quite correct in wanting to learn map reading - a GPS will only get you so far. If it goes down, or you need to do some serious navigating in the rough country you will need a map and compass, and a knowledge of the basics.

Note well - with this knowledge, once gained, you will have a far greater understanding on how and why the GPS works, and use it with far more confidence.

Best place to learn map reading is the local bush walking group - but be aware that they may use maps differently to you; however the basic knowledge is the same and you will be able to transpose.

My map reading comes from boats (Coxains Licence), though I have to say I am not that efficient at marine navigation (mainly due to the use of GPS), aircraft (Commercial Pilot's Licence), and Search and Rescue. I have a thorough knowledge of how the compass works in the area that I use it (note how I qualify that statement - for such a simple instrument it is remarkably complex in function, and highly effective once you understand it. I have to say that while I am knowlegable in compass use I have met people who have a life time using them (ships captains, compass swingers (adjusters) etc) and are true masters of the subject, and leave me for dead).

Now, where woz I (rambling again!)

When I was training people in SAR, I would give them a puzzle - get them to pot a series of waypoints on a map (pencil and ruler stuff here) using different ways of expressing coordinates e.g.:

º ' "" (degrees minutes seconds)
º 0.0' (degrees decimal minutes)
and then something actually quite easy
Map grid references using AusGrid (from memory!)

The number of pilots, even old ones (not bold ones ;) who get this all mixed up was quite interesting - most did. The lesson learnt was that you had to be very careful what format the map reference was in - in SAR it could be the difference between finding someone and not finding them.

Most topo maps will have map grid references and what is the really neat thing about them is that the reference also includes the map number. So it is then a matter of referring to the appropriate topo map. I understand that bushwalkers use this system a lot - and as 4bies we should have an interest in how they do that in case we get involved in a SAR operation, either as rescuers or the rescued.

Nw if you really want to have some fun, think about the differences between True and Magnetic north, deviation; compass error (and correction).

Quiz: how many km make up a second of latitude how would you measure it?

(Sounds like a useless bit of information but is actually fundemental to how deg min sec relate to distance and map reading, and gives a much greater understanding of how a GPS might relate to a map...)

/viz
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 23:03

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 23:03
While you are correct (I assume) in all you say I reckon you make it sound a bit hard for the average shmo. I have a Garmin Etrex which I use in conjunction with 250k tops for navigation, along with the maps and tracks of WA (qpa). Here How I do it
1) work out where I want to go using utm ups feed waypoints of turn offs and significant points of intrest into GPs
2) Use the Road atlas to get to the spot wher I will be going off road (basic navagation)
3) visit waypoints (waypoints of tur offs is very important for finding overgrown tracks)
4) use coordinates from gps to plot where I am on the map if for whatever reason I feel the need
I plan to get a compass as extra back up but in most situations just having the map and a rough idea where Nth is should see you right if for whatever reason your GPS craps itself.
This brings me onto another point - Who has ever seen a gps crap itself, Not me, When walking I always carry spare batterys but even if you did get caught short a gps just doesnt go out you can periodically turn it on and check you are going in the right direction before it turns itself off at least 10 times before it becomes unusable.
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 06:32

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 06:32
"Who has ever seen a gps crap itself, Not me"

G'day Davoe

Last year up the Cape ours bleep itself just near Gunshot and was rs for the rest of the trip.
Apparently needed more that a field fix on our return.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 06:50

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 06:50
arghhhhh stupid statement really this is the www someone somwhere has seen most things. Still reckon there a pretty reliable piece of electronics on the whole
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Follow Up By: viz - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 11:12

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 11:12
Gidday Davoe - first off let me say that I agree with you in that compass work is a little harder than switching a GPS on and that the average shmo (?) would find it difficult. GPS has opened up a whole new world for 4bies, boaties, pilots etc, and very much increases safety by a very big margin. But IMHO the basics should also be learnt - when things go wrong, and they do, the basics are what will get you out of trouble, not a dead GPS unit.

I have seen some real interesting errors in GPS, in my case being near a thunderstorm. Batteries run out, and in one case a GPS was carried (a simple unit with no built in map function) by a person who got lost and had no way of knowing where "home" was because no coordinates had been entered prior to going on the walk - in fact the unit had was not turned on until that person got into trouble... Guess what got him out of trouble - a compass... (Guess who that person was? Not telling! ;)

I have used some amazing units in aircraft and love them. Makes flying "blind" a breeze, and makes approaches into airports so much easier. But I have a deep suspicion of anything electronic when it comes to protecting my life...

That Lockhart River crash recently - the aircraft was conducting a GPS NPA at the time (NPS = Non Precision Approach). The Benalla crash also. Without speculating too much prior to the accident report, it would not surprise me if the GPS had something to do with the accidents...

/viz
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 11:18

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 11:18
Yeah I cant help myself either Davoe, and since you use an Etrx, it relevant. My mate used his Etrex for ages on his property (initially for nav but later for laying bore pipes after capping) and the side buttons on his cracked the rubber seal. One large dunking without realising the boot was cracked and it was toast!
Lucky I had my spare to send him so he could finish the job. But you are right...it is rare to have a GPS just fail but not impossible. But do you also have a paper copy of your waypoints or critical points? Even if you GPS doesnt fail, they can data dump, either by themselves or through human error and without a copy...or a good map and compass, you can be quite lost!!

Matt.
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Follow Up By: equinox-Kings Canyon - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 12:54

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 12:54
Quiz: how many km make up a second of latitude how would you measure it?

It depends what line of latitude you are on.
Its more closer to the equator and less as you approach the poles
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Follow Up By: viz - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 14:20

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 14:20
You are correct :)

If you were measuring your distance on a map, could you use the latitude markings on the side?

/viz
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 20:17

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 20:17
Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) Interesting that rubber bit that goes round the etrex started coming off on mine I glued it back on but it looked like the buttons underneath were additionly sealed - still something to keep in mind
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 20:24

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 20:24
Oh and Matt MU I carry the 250k maps so if I lose coords I can just work them out again. I often dont actually punch them in just write down the co ord. As I said the biggest use I have with a gps is working out where turn offs are as the start of tracks are often obscured.
Another big use is when walking away from the vehicle. Now this worries me a bit as dense goldfields scrub usually obscures all reference points and you can miss your vehicle by 50m sometimes less and not see it
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Friday, Aug 12, 2005 at 19:05

Friday, Aug 12, 2005 at 19:05
Yeah Davoe worth keeping a lookout on your Etrex, great little GPS BTW! As I said it was quite a severe dunking, he dived into one of his dams with it in his top pocket, so it would want to have been water proof....but alas it wasnt!

Matt.
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Reply By: MikeyS - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 22:29

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 22:29
Gronk
Go to the Exploroz shop and buy "GPS Vehicle Navigation in Australia". I have no vested interest here, but I highly recommend this book. Take it slowly, 'cos it can get a bit thick at times, but then mapping and navigation aren't quite as simple as turnign on a gps or unfolding a piece of paper. It's well written for dummies like you and me.
MikeyS
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Reply By: Willb - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 14:02

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 14:02
G'day Gronk, I have the GPS105 as well and used it for the first time in July.
I used a site some one on this forum put me onto for GPS co-ordinates that you can then load onto the unit. You enter in the name eg. Birdsville and it gives you the detail to enter.
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Remember there is also a lot of pre loaded towns etc. in the unit.
It took me a bit of playing around to fully understand how to use it, the instruction were a bit thin.
You have to go to the menu and go to my POI (my point of interest) and add a poi which you can then name.
You can enter co-ordinates for say Birdsville and store those, or you can use the co-ordinates for the position you are in which the GPS will show on the screen. eg a fork in the road can be loaded and you can name it lets say "fork in road" and if you need to get back to that position you just go to my POI and scroll down to "fork in road" and it will guide you back.
It has a handy trip meter as well.
Black spots, fixed speed and red light camera spots are loaded also.
The best advice is to have a fiddle, I've allways found that works best for me.
I hope I have helped (not hindered) you.
Will
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 18:16

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 18:16
Thanks,I know roughly how to use the gps 105, but I didn't know how to interpret those grid numbers on the side of the map into co-ordinates that I could punch into the gps unit eg. a turnoff on a bush track in the state forest on a 1:25000 topo map.
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 16:51

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 16:51
Mate - after 22 long years in the Army, I must admit that map reading isn't too hard once you know what to do.

I always use paper maps (they will never crash) in conjunction with my Etrex - it's a basic and simple GPS. I use the GPS co-ordinates to plot my position on the map and go from there.

When using the GPS I use the MGRS datum - it gives me an easy 10 figure grid reference and when using toppographical maps takes less than a minute to plot your position.

Paper maps take up a little bit of room - but can be folded away. I cover my with clear contact and highlight my grid reference numbers.

I have read the articles in 4 x 4 Monthly and they use degrees and minutes, which can be very confusing especially if you are in a hurry.

Any decent bookshop or map store will have books that will assist you.
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Reply By: KiwiAngler - Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 21:03

Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 21:03
Garmin Map reading over 40 pages

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