Tyre side lug repair

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 05:32
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Recently bought set of Cooper Discovery S/T for my GQ Patrol. A few of the side lugs on the right rear have tears in them as if they are beginning to be ripped off. This happened after some steep rock climbing on rough rocks. Tyre dealer said he's never seen Coopers do this before. Does any body have any suggestions on how to repair these? Ive tried puncture repair glue etc but it just peels straight off. Appreciated.
Barnesy
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Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 07:52

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 07:52
Barnesy

Number 1) Your tyre dealer has told you a fib. All Cooper ST's tear lugs off on rocks. The only way to reduce this behaviour is to make sure that you remember to AIR DOWN to around 16psi. If you don't, you'll rip lugs every time. Other than that - you buy Cooper ST-C's that have a softer, more compliant compound but don't last as long.

Number 2) Repair lugs? I'm not sure that you'll ever find an effective way of doing this.

Sorry to be so negative about this, but I've been through it too. Coopers have been getting a (probably) undeserved wrap on forums lately. People have to understand that the ST's were designed primarily to deliver huge miles before they needed replacement. If you bought them on this premise, then you have to expect that they are a harder compound and therefore likely to chip more readily.
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Reply By: Happy GU Owner - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 07:57

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 07:57
Barnsey,

Don't let the tyre dealer fool you - 'never seen this before' - it is widely known that Coopers Tyres can't handle Aussie Rocks. I and a friend, on the same trip, destroyed our Cooper ST's through crawling up rock faces, to the extent where we both claimed warranty on the tyres (that is another story in itself), and will never darken the door of Coopers again, and we are not the only ones judging by the amount of complaints just on this forum alone.

As I have said many times before, Coopers make a great tyre, if you want to stay on the bitchumen, and a bit of sand, but don't go anywhere near the rocks. In my humble opinion, they can't handle our Australian conditions, and we have been conned by them with product placement, through places such as ARB, where they get free tyres if they put them on their vehicles and promote them, and clever marketing strategies - their warranty is not worth the air it is spoken in.

Mic
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 15:53

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 15:53
I have to agree with you there. My STT's are smarting from some rough bush tracks and some of the lugs have severe cracks and will no doubt come off on the next trip. They are good sand tyres and also good on rocky sections but pretty useless in mud. Then again I recently did 16,000km trip with no punctures over a variety of terrain. Don't think I will buy them again though
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Follow Up By: Member - John Thomas B (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 01:40

Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 01:40
Just got the car serviced at ARB they recomended BFG A/T against coopers so thats what I got (Good advise).Very happy with there service and advise.
Just wish they didnt bill me.
Best regards
Johno
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 11:09

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 11:09
Even with expert trade vulcanising, those lugs would be lucky to stay on the shoulder - significant stress there, even under easy going. Unhappily, the Cooper mileage guarantee has always been a joke.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 14:13

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 14:13
The best glue for rubber to rubber is a superglue called "Locktite 406". Get it from anywhere that sells Locktite products, and the good shops store it in the fridge.

I've used it for lots of stuff over teh years - we even used to cut R/C car tyres in half and reglue and they never came apart.

I guarantee the glue will be stronger than Cooper tyres :-)))))

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 17:04

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 17:04
I have used this glue also and it is the best I have ever used. If anything will glue the lugs back on it would be this stuff. Although I think you'd still be pushing @^$& up hill.
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 16:08

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 16:08
I agree with Chrispy ..... tyre dealer speak with very forked tongue.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody that buys Cooper tyres to go into rocky terrain ..... is either deaf, blind, or got rocks in their head!
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Reply By: angler - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 20:53

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 20:53
The cooper replacement deal is OK provided you rotate the tyres every other day and polish them regularly. Try not to drive on anything that may be harmful to the rubber stuff around the outside.
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Reply By: Sarg - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 21:39

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 21:39
Just cut off every second block and imagine that you have a decent set of tyres like Simex Centipedes
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Reply By: at4x4 - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 23:01

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 23:01
Tread block chipping on the ST has always been a problem, hence why they released the ST-C, but apart from the chipping, the noise they make for an AT tyre, the pulling left problem, especially on patrols, and the poor wet weather bitumen performance as they wear, and the problems they have with punctures in the sidewall, they are black and round, and certainly the best marketed tyre in the country.

stats on trip i have run in last few years
202 cars
32 punctures
2 mtr's
1 pro comp all terrain [sidewall]
17 ST sidewall within 1.5 inches [aprox] of tread
4 St tread stakes
4 other brands of generic tyres
4 Cooper At / ATR.

previous to that BFG held the puncture record with 5 destroyed by puncture on my own vehicle.

And I sell them all.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 23:27

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 23:27
I am certainly not a fan of Cooper tyres, but you may be drawing a long bow by blaming them for GU Patrol pulling left.
Is the Patrol lifted? If so you need an adjustable drag link.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 00:38

Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 00:38
Good old statistics you can prove anything with them. the work shop at work has no problems with Nissans but they get a constant stream of Tojos does this prove tojos are crap or that is the only type of vehicle they fix?
BFGs were very popular a few years back if most vehicles used them then it would be no wonder they got the most flats. Any trip where you use radials you gotta expect some tyre disapointment.
Personally I run a set of bald MRF supergripper tyres they have cut my tyre repair bill from 300 bucks in 3 trips to zero in the last 4 what do those stats tell you ??
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Follow Up By: at4x4 - Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 08:35

Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 08:35
Well, facts, and stats are slightly different, but well done by getting a dodgy link to the old toyota nissan debate into a tyre thread, your mum would be proud......

As for the left pulling, we only put about 70 cars a day through the tyres/ wheel aligning/ workshop, and funnily enough, chnage the tyres, pulling stops, so please, given I drive one myself, give us a little more credit, than trying to tell us how to suck eggs.....
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Follow Up By: brett - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 00:03

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 00:03
Those stats are useless without a breakdown of how many different brands of tyres were fitted. Maybe of the 202 cars 190 of them had coopers, or maybe of the 202 cars 25 cars had coopers.
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Follow Up By: at4x4 - Monday, Aug 29, 2005 at 07:50

Monday, Aug 29, 2005 at 07:50
The majority were MTR's, the balance made up in pretty even numbers of the balance.
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Reply By: Trekkie - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 23:24

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 23:24
I agree with all of the above.

The Dealer must be new to Coopers if he has not heard of Lugs ripping off. Like has he been in the business longer than one or two days?

I have 9 matching Coopers - two spares and 2 plus 1 on my Camper
Recently after returning from 18,000 km trip covering Simpson Fraser Island and Cape York we had severe problems with lugs ripping off and exposing the steel.
Only after long arguments and accusations by the dealer about our 4wd techniques and threats did they agree to a partial discount on a replacement.

After talking to others what is disappointing is that warranty with Coopers appears to depend on the support of the individual dealer.
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Reply By: mechpete - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 23:46

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 23:46
Cooper Tyres 80k warranty is only offered to the bitumen dwellers not to people who go off road .I have STs on my GQ , the first set did 50 K plus just replaced them on the rear to do the Canning when got home they had a strange hairline crack around the circunfrence ,took them to the dealer where I purchased them
he looked at them and said yes we,ll replace them ,after emailing the importer they contacted me and replaced the tyres no charge no questions ,try to get that
product backup from BridgeStone or any other for that matter .
Before switching to Coopers I had Dessert Duellers and each trip into the outback I destroyed 2 tyres ,haven,t had a destroyed tyre since fitting Coopers STs having travelled the Kimberely,s the Simpson the Canning the Victorian high Country and still going good .
cheers
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Follow Up By: Uppy - Member - Monday, Aug 29, 2005 at 18:40

Monday, Aug 29, 2005 at 18:40
Hi mechpete,Ive got a gq with ST Coopers, Im very happy with them.What I would like to know is what psi do you run them
regards uppy
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Reply By: mechpete - Monday, Aug 29, 2005 at 21:10

Monday, Aug 29, 2005 at 21:10
Hi uppy ,
interesting nick name !!! when in the high country I run them at 24fr 26rr and in the stony country eg. Tanami , Gunnbarell , that sort of stuff that is really tough
on tyres ,when I,m fully loaded 32fr 35rr ,ya need a bit of flex in the tyre to stop the rocks stabbing the tyre , the STs are known to rip lugs off but I have never had the pleasure cheers .mechpete. Shepparton.
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Follow Up By: Uppy - Member - Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 at 19:01

Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 at 19:01
Hi mechpete,Uppy is for Upston.Thanks for the advice.Currantly running a40 psi around town Perth .But will drop to 35-32 on dirt rd with a Load
Ive been to Shepparton,we use to live in Leeton
regards uppy
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