transmission windup

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 09:28
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Heading up the borefield track to Lake Eyre South and North, William Creek then across to Coober Pedy. This track is quite good (probably sit on 80km/h). I would like to drive it in High4 for obvious reasons of grip etc but what is the chances of 'windup' on a hard dirt road at that speed??

Thanks in advance
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Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 09:32

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 09:32
What sort of vehicle are you driving?

Some cars have centre diffs to cater to this very purpose - others don't. I take it you are in a part-timer (like a GQ). In this case - I really wouldn't run it in 4Hi with the front hubs locked on hard-packed dirt for any distance. Unless you are sliding all over the place and letting the transmission slip considerably, I reckon it'll kill it.
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 09:47

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 09:47
Good guess. Yes it's a GQ patrol. This is what I thought, but I wanted to get some other opinions.

Thanks,
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 10:32

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 10:32
Yeah - I think it's all so subjective. You can be doing it on what appears to be a hard dirt road and be getting the slippage required every few metres to unwind it constantly. Other times, if conditions are different, maybe not.

I do run mine in 4Hi if the road is very slippery - i.e. after a downpour and I'm in a hurry. Otherwise - it's sometimes more fun to flick out the rear a bit (in a controlled manner of course)!!
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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 10:16

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 10:16
On the other had i drove my GQ on every dirt road in high 4wd and it still went great after 140 thousand klicks... I would say about 40 thousand were in 4wd on dirts roads up north...
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:37

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:37
I agree that shifting it into 4Hi is best option, even on "fast" dirt.
One advantage that people often forget about is the braking effect.......
In 2wd, if you have to hit the skids hard, there is a chance of locking up the back wheels as the weight is transferred to the front and the rears have less grip as a result. However, with it in 4Hi, when you hit the skids, the front and rear axles are "joined" and the rear wheels will be much less likely to lock-up as it would require the fronts to also lock-up. Sure that can still occur, just less likely as far as I'm concerned.
Of course the other advantage is that if you have to make any quick direction adjustments (wandering stock, roos, unseen potholes etc), you have inherently better control if the truck is already in 4x4.
Cheers
Roachie
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Follow Up By: warthog - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 16:40

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 16:40
Never thought of that Roachie. Makes sense to me particularly when you have to brake for an unseen dip etc and you strike some loose stuff.
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Reply By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:17

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:17
Like Voxson I too shift my GU into H4 on the dirt. 170,000kms on the clock and no problems yet.
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:30

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:30
I know it's not a "REAL" 4wd but, my manual for the Triton reckons the only damage done by hooning around in H4(it does say to sit on or below 80kph) is to your fuel economy... Actually recommends using H4 on bitumen when towing heavy loads... I'm pretty sure my old Rocky said something along the lines of "H4 + bitumen = transmission death" I guess it's one of those subjective things...
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 12:47

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 12:47
Doesn't the triton have that great option to lock the centre diff or leave it open?
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 13:00

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 13:00
no centre diff...
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 12:28

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 12:28
thanks everyone for your replys. It sounds like a will be fairly safe. If it's rock hard I might have second thoughts though. We travel quite safely (whats the rush)so I'm not expecing to hit above 80km/h anyway.
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 13:15

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 13:15
No matter how hard and/or smooth the dirt road, you won't get wind up unless slowly turning tight in first gear - as in parking - (IMO). We pay precious dollars for these 4wd systems - I use mine a lot - and not just in the loose stuff.
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Reply By: Rick (S.A.) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 15:51

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 15:51
At the moment this is a 2wd road. Any 'ole vehicle will not have traction or control problems if tyres & speed are adjusted to conditions.

That's one illustration of how the Nissans are different - they are part time 4WD -who wants the extra wear & tear on the tyres & transmission etc, when it is not warranted?

Have a good drive

Rick
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 17:09

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 17:09
I did that very trip in a GQ some years ago in 4H and had no problems.

If the wheels have the opportunity to slip then you will not get windup. If I am on a road that I think is a bit too clean and the wheels may not be slipping I simply drop one side into the loose stuff at the edge of the road every now and then. My GQ had 385,000km on when I sold it.

Duncs
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 17:19

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 17:19
I use to live in Roxby Downs so I know this road well. I didn't have a 4wd when I lived there though so went out in others cars. When it's your own money you start to ask questions like this though !
The track is closed without hesitation with a bit of rain on it so I am expecting the road to be fairly dry when we are on it (or we will need to use our back plan trip). I would prefer to drive in 4High for obvious safety reasons. Sounds like it should be ok.
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 18:14

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 18:14
Most of the time I forget to put the truck into 4wd. These outback tracks are all 2wd roads with some corries. I only use High Range 4x4 when in sandy stuff.

Anyway, should you get diff wind-up then just reverse about 10 metres and un lock the 4x4 mode(if you have an old truck and especially if it is an old Toyota...lol) when you want to go back into 2wd mode.

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Reply By: cmilton54 - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 19:25

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 19:25
When in those conditions in my triton I drive with front hubs locked in and use the lever for 2H to 4h as required on the go.
Cheers
Charlie
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