Electrical issues on Navara

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 11:27
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I had a strange occurrence on my 1999 3.2 diesel Navara this morning.

Last night parked in shed as normal, this morning, flat battery only just lighting ignition lights, jumped with deep cycle, started easy first turn as normal.

Drove to work, 18km, checked battery, fully charged at 12.9volts, all cells ok with hydrometer, and in line ammeter in series between positive terminal, only shows 5ma drain, which is typical for clock etc.

Nothing was left on. For sure.

What caused it??

I hate these type of faults! intermittent electricals, I'd rather do a head gasket, least then you fix it its done, can spend days chasing these.

Any pointers greatly appreciated,

Rgds

Ron

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Reply By: 120scruiser - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 12:37

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 12:37
Check glove box light is going out if it has one.
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Reply By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 13:44

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 13:44
Ron..was it raining that night or did you just wash it? Have had headlight and other relays stick on from water and then drop back out after they dry out leaving nothing to indicate later that they were draining the battery!

Thats about all I can think of, unless there is a stray ashtray or glovebox light that was on and you didnt notice??

Goodluck with it!

Matt.
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Follow Up By: simple - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 13:51

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 13:51
my commodore used to have the boot light stay on that drained the battery every coupla days and the glove box is the next most lickely. or one of the other million possibilities
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Reply By: cwebb - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 14:35

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 14:35
I don't know about anybody else, but give me a electrical gremlin over a head gasket failure any day, thankyou!
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Follow Up By: crusher - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 17:52

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 17:52
Hi Ron
could be the battery,connection betwen cells not uncomen.
Good luck
Crusher
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Reply By: Ron173 - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 18:41

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 18:41
Hi,

Many thanks all for your helpful posts, however still none the wiser, no ashtray light, no glovebox light, battery seems to be A1.

I did have a mega pulse on it, and just bout 2 days ago shifted it to another vehicle, but the way it charged up so quickly, would, and to full capacity, verified by SG, suggest battery is in very good health. Also tonight after work and sitting all day with just that brief run to work, fired up as usual on first compression stroke.

The head gasket bit..... guess its just what you know!! I dont know electrics in depth.

Thanks again for all replies, each and everyone appreciated, great forum,

Any further hints appreciated too

guess I'll just have to see if it happens again and then try trace it then by pulling fuses etc.

Rgds

Ron

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Reply By: Willb - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 19:23

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 19:23
Hi, are you sure the battery was flat and it is not a dirty terminal.
Did you check the voltage in the morning?
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Follow Up By: Ron173 - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 22:02

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 22:02
Yep, flat as!

Admittedly didnt check voltage but, dash lights took 30 secs to come on, normally instant, and very very very dim, wasnt totally flat like a short would do, but was well down, like almost flat, normally all lights n starts first compression stroke, which it did on other battery, wouldnt look at turning on own.

Seems the dux nuts now, but what the hell caused that and will it come back? thats my querie?

Anyway, once again, thanks all for ideas,

Rgds

Ron
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Reply By: Member - John C (QLD) - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:16

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:16
Looks like it is back to basics.
How old is the battery?
May read full volts but can't give out full load?
Checked earths and connections at the starter motor?
What are the connectons like on the battery? Good enough for 150 plus amps?
Maybe can't get full current to the starter motor for when the engine is cold and hard to start? But OK when engine warm.
If draining 5 amps when everything is off, that could be 60 amp/hours over a 12 hour night, or more than half the battery capacity. Seems a bit high.
1999 model the starter motor should be OK. Have only had starter motor problems after 15 to 20 years on the car.

Annoying arn't they. Just been through a similar problem on mine with starting problems. I had a bad connection at the end of a wire. Passed the voltage but not the ampage.
Friend had a similar problem to yours and it was the battery. Battery read 12.8v for about 3 secs, and the dash lights came on, but it wouldn't even clutch start. Not enough voltage after 30 secs to power up the engine computer.
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Follow Up By: Ron173 - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 16:17

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 16:17
Thanks for that John,

drawing 5mA though, not 5Amps, I would agree if it was 5A that would be high.

Checked connections all good, its back to normal and perfect now, checked with hydrometer etc. charging fine, belts fine, no problem to be found anywhere, except that one morning flat for no reason.

I think some UFO came through the area and caused a supernatural event which sucked all the power out the battery!! .......... well until I know different LOL

Rgds

Ron
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Reply By: Morcs in cairns - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 16:29

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 16:29
Dud cell in the battery ,get it load tested and you will see it bubble

Fit a new one before it lets you down
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Follow Up By: Ron173 - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 14:54

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 14:54
I'm not averse to replacing it, just trying to ensure its an essential move,

I follow your thinking, but wouldnt a dud cell be apparent when testing with a hydrometer?

Rgds

Ron
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Reply By: Morcs in cairns - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 13:28

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 13:28
unless the sg for each cell was exactly the same ,still look for the one that is down compaired to the others, switch on head lights,spotlights any thing to load battery start engine,cold best ,check cell that is down for bubbles ,thats the dud.also check standing battery votage anything under around 12.2 V is weak

rgds Grant
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Reply By: Ron173 - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 20:56

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 20:56
Hello All,

Well pleased to say problem solved eventually, and I wouldnt have believed it if I hadnt seen it myself!

I eventually bought a load tester, not a big expense (85.00) considering my outdoor pursuits and number of batteries etc.

I got the Matsons 100amp tester, which applies a full load for 10 secs plus tests charging circuit etc. real good bit of gear and will be used lots in my tool shed.

Anyway, cut a long story short, a few of you were onto it, .... battery connections!!

Battery was passing load test 100%, charging fine etc. One morning did the flat thing, jumped ok, and on removing jump lead it pulled positive connection off! yet it looked soooo secure.

Went to local auto elec, he fitted marine connections and posts, for a modest sum, and never had trouble since... at least now I can load test a battery to check for all out grunt too!!

So if anyone has troubles in this area..... DONT underestimate how tight connections need to be, as if not, they build up resistance which induces heat and more resistance, then it produces a coating on terminal which further impedes resistance, if your connections are iffy get them redone at a good auto elec.... cost less than $30 and worth every buck!!

Thanks for all responses and I hope this post helps others,

Rgds

Ron
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