Canning Stock Route

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 20, 2005 at 21:40
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We have a Patrol 3 litre turbo Deisel and a Kimberley Camper Trailer. We hope to do the Canning Stock Route, if anyone has done this with similar 4wd and camper could you please let us know how you went and if you had any problems at all?Thank you.
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Reply By: Trekkie - Saturday, Aug 20, 2005 at 23:57

Saturday, Aug 20, 2005 at 23:57
I have a 100S TD 4.2 & also a Kimberley Kamper

We have done the Canning Stock Route without the Kimberley - although we have been to many other places that would be similar eg Simpson Desert last year with Kimberley posed few problems.

We have discussed doing CSR with the Kimberley and I would not see any real problems but would only attempt it in company of others. Many 4WD "experts" will argue that you will dig up the tracks too much. I am sure if you use the right tyre pressures and take it easy you will be OK
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:34

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:34
Rule of thumb for desert sand treks is 14psi for truck and 8 psi for trailer. These are not my figures but ones I have learned from a seasoned Simpson traveller. The Canning sand is a tad different from the Simpson though, and it places it can be difficult especially during the heat of the day.

I have always been against trailers in the deserts but have changed my views mainly because the battle has been lost already and I too, am considering a trailer.

Digging up of dunes can be attributed to those with or without trailers as some people stubbornly run their tyres at too high a pressure. I find that 15 to 18psi works well for me on sand tracks or cross country and it also minimises punctures. The other key word is, as you say, Take It Easy!!!
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 10:37

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 10:37
Change your views?
whats that saying.....you can teach an old dog.....????something or other....
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Follow Up By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:04

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:04
Hi Willem,
I am certainly no regular desert traveller, but woudn't 14psi be a little low, the chances of tyre popping off the rim woud be rather high woudn't it? Not to mention the overheating factor on the faster stretches, (60-80kph). Keeping in mind when I'm loaded I weigh in somewhere between 3-3.5 tonne.
18psi I would only just feel comfortable with in the slower sections, I realise also different tyres can handle lower pressures better than others, matter of trial and error most times.
Am planning on doing more trips out that way, hence the interest, and the best people to ask are the ones doing it, so any info you have based on experience would be apreciated.

Avagoodn
Pezza
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 17:29

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 17:29
Nudie....Well..........

I gues we all have to move on even if it goes against the grain or against my brain....lol
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 17:42

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 17:42
Hi Pezza

I regularly run 15psi on beaches or in the desert and have yet to run a tubeless tyre off a rim. I have only once run a tyre off and that was at 12psi on skinny tyres at Little Dip CP south of Robe.

My truck would also weigh in at 3.5t plus. Yes, you would not want to do 80kmh with tyres down to 18 or less.... so one has to be vigilant that you don't get carried away. There are sections on the Simpson where 60kmh is possible and I have driven at that speed but you cannot maintain it for long. There are sections on the Canning where 80kmh is possible but the best advice I can give is to pump the tyres up before attempting that speed. Best thing is to see how your vehicle handles the sand and then drop your pressures accordingly

There are still travellers who believe that if you are heavily laden you should not drop your tyre pressures below 30psi. It is not impossible to drive like that but only puts more pressure on your vehicle's suspension and increases the probability of getting bogged or worse, breaking something!

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Kim and Doug (QLD) - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 11:46

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 11:46
there is a dvd available from capeyorkconnections.com.au ask Eric nicely and he might let you borrow a copy of a trek through CSR with a Kimberly Kamper then again find out when they are going that way next and tag a long.

As all the posts say and what we have found with our kimberley, it will go where ever the 4wd will go so long as tyre pressures are lowered to suit the tracks.

Just take your time and enjoy
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Reply By: sean - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 19:00

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 19:00
Last year I towed an offroad trailer north to south travelling with 5 other vehicles that did not have trailers. The trailer weighed about 700 kg empty and full I estimate about 1.2 tonnes. We did Rudall Park also.

I had a 4.2 patrol diesel and had trouble on some of the dunes on the north half. Simply ran out of power and had to reverse back down some dunes and on one dune I simply could not get over so I winched. But having said that some of the other trailerless vehicles did their share of reversing and some had their share of difficult dunes (oddly) which were not necessarily the ones we found hard. But I found it easier to get over some of the dunes than the people who were not in our group and who were not letting their tyres down. ALso we visited all teh wells so took that route and that is where we had the hardest dunes. BUT it is NOT the dunes that is the problem, its teh corrugations.

The biggest problem on the CSR is the corrugations and that is where trailers come undone. We came across trailers that had broken off stub axles. And the corrugations are on the transport sections where cross roads intersect the CSR. Kunawarrajiti and Georgia Bore basically. They will shake and test your suspension, wear out your shocks and break off you trailer stub axles if there is any weakness. A few vehicles in our group had shock failure on the first day of corrugations with brand new ARB shocks. Every vehicle in our group had some sort of corrugation/vibration related mechanical problem. Did not matter how slow or fast you went, their was no escaping.

The tyre pressure will depend on your brand of tyres. All the vehicles in our group of 6 ran different pressures depending on the brand and load. I dont think there is any universal pressure to run. The Goodyear MT were the stiffest and had to be let down alot more than the BFG for example to get the same footprint. I ran Dueller light trucks at about 20 psi hot

I was lucky because I did not have a clue about the route, but our group leader had done the trip before and this took alot of the anticipation/anxiety/guessing out of the trip which took us about 20 days.

Make sure you go and dont let others deter, take spare stubs, lower the tire pressures till any lower does not make the ride any better, and take your time is the best advise I can give.

I am no expert on the CSR, but would not hesitate to take a trailer provided I was confident that the stubs were not on their way to fatigue failure. And to put it into perspective there was two suzuki swift front wheel drive cars at Rudall that had done the bottom half and got up all the dunes on 8 psi.

We had a great trip and were lucky enough to travel with a great group of people.

Sean
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Reply By: WOMBAT - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 20:14

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 20:14
In answer to campers on the c,s,r, , we travel the c,s,r many times doing tag tours with trailer of all sorts . only problem we have had in the groups is shokies on the coil spring set ups . But go for it , work your tyre presure and drive to the road conditions and have a great time
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Reply By: Member - Andy C (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 07, 2005 at 17:59

Wednesday, Sep 07, 2005 at 17:59
Just completed Wiluna to Well 33 when we turned left to Marble Bar because of four days of heavy rain.

We saw 2 trailers on the CSR and they said that they didn't have any problems!

I wouldn't like to do it with a trailer and wouldn't recommend it! (for what its worth)

Andy
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