80 Series needs some luvin'
Submitted: Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 13:55
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Scoey
Hi all,
Just some advice/thoughts on a coupla probs on my 80 series GXL.....
1/ Is there a cheap way to get out of replacing a power steer pump? $850 for new. or $375 for one from the wreckers (that I can't be sure how long it'll last). Can they be "fixed" (ie by my self in a fairly modest garage) or do they need to be reconditioned?
2/ The bloody rear power windows! Every time they are wound down, the guide that is attached to the bottom of the window glass falls out and the window falls into the door. I don't use them often enough to warrant paying someone to fix them but it's bloody annoying knowing something needs fixing on my truck. Every time it happens (usually when the footy mates are in the back and I'd forgotten to activate the window lock) I put it back together, but as soon as the windows are wound down again they're buggered. Any advice or tips on how to fix them for good, myself?
Oh by the way, for the power steer part, it's a 4.5L petrol.
Cheers
Scoey
Reply By: BenSpoon - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 15:17
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 15:17
Rear power windows... pain in the ass.
Head to a windscreen installer and grab a tube of black sikaflex off them- Its often used for bonding windows to rubbers, windowframes to panels etc. Clean the window
well with thinners or petrol then lay a bead of sika along the guide and stick it back on the window. Give it some time to bond and you're sorted.
The only power steering probs I have seen before were from extended periods of circlework in work trucks, and the pumps were clean swapped for newies, so Im no help there.
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:01
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:01
Sounds great mate! I'm assuming you just run the sikaflex along the metal channel and completely do away with the rubbers that are in there?
Yeah, I've only had the truck for a year and the bloke before me had it since new. His logbooks bordered on anal so I'm not sure why the steer pump is playing up? He just used the truck for towing his 'van and I can't say i give it a real hard time at all!
Cheers Ben
Scoey.
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:23
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:23
On one I fixed I had to turf the rubber coz it was badly cracked and the metal guide was rusted to dust. I'd certainly rather keep the rubber in there though- It ensures there is a protective buffer between the steel and glass. Developing a new squeak after a repair a short while down the track is no fun.
Just make sure the rubber is
well held by the metal guide, or you will still have problems with it falling off. Again, you can use the sika to stick the cleaned metal guide to the rubber channel.
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Reply By: Sea-Dog - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:09
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:09
I would be looking at going to a Steering Specialist and getting them to look at the pump.
I had the pump fail in a Maverick (GQ Patrol) and I nearly fell over when I was told the replacement cost.... at the end of the day it cost me around $150 to have it reconditioned and it was fine after that...
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:13
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:13
I spoke to BHSS (Steering engineers in
Brisbane) about reco-ing
mine. When he asked what it was doing, I told him it was making a heap of noise. His reccomendation was that once it gets noisy - replace it. Might ring around some more
places but - good advice!
Cheers Dog!
Scoey.
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Follow Up By: Sea-Dog - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:17
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 16:17
No probs.. I am a
Redcliffe boy and took
mine to
Redcliffe Steering Specialists in Kippa Ring.. Did a top job in my opinion... Not that I am much of a yard stick when it comes to the finer points of engineering but it kept going until after I had sold the vehicle over 12 months later.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:12
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:12
I'll definately give em a bell! I'm from Narangba so that's nice and handy and the price is right too! Cheers for your help!
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Reply By: fourbyman - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 17:15
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 17:15
Hi Scoey,
Have gone thru same with rear windows, purchased original rubbers from Toyota $10 each for back & $15 for front each, installed with soapy
water,( more detergent than
water as it dries after a while) working
well?
Hope I don't jinx myself, had problem with power steering with constant overflow, silly one ( thats me!!) had overfilled it, I thought it had an air lock in it, there was an old post on this problem.
Not sure if this dribble helps or cofusses you more
Regards
Fourbyman
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:15
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:15
Hey Fourbyman,
Given past horrific enquiries with the local Toyota Parts desk didn't bother checking the price of a coupla rubbers. That I can live with. Might dig up the old post and have a read! Thanks for
the tip!
Scoey
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Reply By: crfan - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 17:30
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 17:30
Hi Scoey $490 + is retail from Coventrys plus $400 deposit
if you know some one that you can get trade price you will save a Quid.
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 17:33
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 17:33
you will find black selastic works better that sika flex on the window , clue the rubber to the window with black silastic , then the frame to the rubber. dont use it for 24 hrs . Works great , Also a new window channel are cheap anyway. The power sterring pump is cheap for a change over unit from repco or bursons , around $400 from memory with 12 months warranty
cheers ,
dont buy second hand unless you want a unit as old as yours
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:17
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:17
Hi RockCrawler,
You nailed the worry about a 2nd handy. Didn't wanna
fork out bucks for a potentially just as knackered unit. Bloke at the local Repco said they don't do exchange which I thought was odd, but I also had a feeling he might've been the work experience kid! Might make a coupla other enquiries! Cheers, Scoey!
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:23
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:23
bursons have them , but try your local power steering reconditioner ,
Also the
mobil 424 trans fliud is the only fluid to run in the yota steering system
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Reply By: 120scruiser - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 19:19
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 19:19
Hi Scoey
Fords run
Mobil 424 fluid in their power steering so I would give this a try. The equivalent in
Caltex is Textran. A bit heavier than Dex III but for 10 bucks its worth a try. It usually shuts commodores and early falcons up.
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:21
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 22:21
Not a bad idea! worth a shot for $10. Thanks for
the tip 120scruiser!
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Reply By: MichaelR - Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 23:08
Monday, Aug 22, 2005 at 23:08
Scouey
Just been through the power steering pump saga myself although for the 1HZ. Think itys the same pump though. Investigations indicate reco is about $300 in
Melbourne plus removal and installation. You would probably be charged $100-150 for this plus fluid.
Decided to give it a go myself working on the principle that if I cocked it up I could still take it off to an expert.
You will need a new seal kit ($45), probably a new shaft as the seal eventually puts a groove in it ($60), a new bearing ($50.50 from Toyota or $8.50 from a bearing joint-take your pick. You may fancy the nice red Toyota cardboard box-I didn't). I also needed to buy a 3 jawed puller from Supacheap for $25 to remove the front gear. All up about $140 plus fluid.
Mke sure you clean it up
well before taking it to bits. The only trick is when you stick it all back together make sure the endplate is properly aligned with the pin in the front housing. It is best to reassemble the pump with the front housing mounted in the vice and then stack the cam ring and end plate on top following up with the rear housing. Make sure you use a torque wrench to adjust it all properly.
If it makes a whole lot of noise after sticking it back in the car then probably it doesn't have enough fluid in it.
Good luck
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Follow Up By: Scoey - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 08:16
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 08:16
Good option. Was thinking of having a crack at rebuilding it myself but power steering is not something I know a lot about. I didn't know if there would be parts that needed machining etc Thanks for
the tip!
Scoey!
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