Driving Lights vs Airflow ..... Myth?

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:00
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Do driving lights affect the flow of air through the radiator on vehicles?

I know some vehicles never look like overheating, but others such as those powered by Nissan TD27 diesels seem to have an inherent overheating problem when worked hard, as is evidenced by the many posts & the fitment of larger radiators etc. etc.

So I am asking, if anybody has any first hand knowledge, of wether or not driving lights can cause overheating.
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Reply By: flappa - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:20

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:20
I have IPF 900's on my 4.5 Patrol , no problems.

I have mates with LF 240's on their 4.5 Cruisers , no problems.

A couple of guys with LF 240's on their 3.0 TD Patrols , No problems.

I dont personally know anyone that has had overheating problems due to lights.
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 20:27

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 20:27
I have 2 lightforce XGT240 on my TD cruiser and the temp guage sits just below half at all times. One of these light is directly in front of the intercooler and must have some negative effect. My mates turbo with no lights goes a lot harder but I suspect that may be the huge intercooler, dtronic, 3" system and snorkel he has fitted. I am quite happy with mine and the lights at night surely compensate for any drop in power.
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 14:48

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 14:48
I have driving lights on my TD27 and no overheating problems. Well, no worse then before I fitted them anyway.
R.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:29

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:29
From what I can see on your Rig pic, your lights are below the bumper, was this a conscious decision with overheating in mind?
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:39

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:39
No. Not the foglights. I've got a set of driving lights right in front of the radiator (not in the pics obviously). They're about 180mm in dia. there's plenty of room between them and the grille.

My mate, with the red terrano in the pics has the ziel 210mm ( I think) No probs so far. He doesn't have a turbo though.
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:18

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:18
They would have to disrupt the airflow, but it might not matter on most vehicles - didn't make any difference to my Jack. Cooling efficiency must be well above demand. My lightforces are the smaller ones though - the big dinner plate jobs (same wattage - extra CP) would cause quite a bit of disruption I guess. May only surface as an issue on vehicles that are "close to the edge" on cooling efficiency.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:38

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:38
I've written so much shyte on here about over-warming issues that people are getting sick of seeing my posts.
I've got the Lighforce Blitz units on my Patrol and have tried them in the "proper" location as well as putting them right up on top of the bullbar.........makes no difference (and my truck is on the edge as banjo said).
Just my own findings....YMMV
Roachie
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Reply By: Member - David B (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:35

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:35
No heating problems on the hilux with 240xgt's
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Follow Up By: Unbreakable - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:48

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:48
Thank god you didnt opt for the genuine bar......That 1 looks great.ARB no doubt?????
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Reply By: Big Trev - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:46

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:46
I have never had a problem with my CIBIE's

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Reply By: cokeaddict - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:34

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:34
in answer to you question.....
"Do driving lights affect the flow of air through the radiator on vehicles"...
the answer is YES.
Put anything infront of anything and move it forward and you have air flow restriction. Professor Julius Sum demiller taught me that... :-)

As for overheating, now thats another kettle of fish.
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Follow Up By: Rotty - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 11:09

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 11:09
"Put anything infront of anything and move it forward and you have air flow restriction. Professor Julius Sum demiller taught me that".

he may have taught you many things but you did not pay attention to the spelling of his name, it was Professor Julius Sumner Miller.

You may not necessarily have air flow restriction, more likely there would be turbulence and a change in air flow patterns behind the lights, if the lights substantially or entirely cover the opening into the radiator then maybe some problems with overheating.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:33

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:33
Professor J.S.M. would always ask "why is it so " , in the driving lights scenario, air flow x velocity x size x turbulance x vacume created would all have a bearing on the potential outcome , look at modern vs older vehicles = old large in your face grills +radiators vs modern no real grill and a radiator sitting side on ,,"why is it so"
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 15:44

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 15:44
Thank you Rotty for the spellin correction mate :-)

I was so facinated by his show that i really never got to learn how it was spelt. especially when he would throw the chalk at students who didnt pay attention.

Oh and just for the sake of justice mate...vacume is spelt vacuum :-)
cheers
Ange
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:15

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:15
......and facinated is spelt fascinated!

While we're at it, turbulance is spelt turbulence.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:50

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:50
ty....noted. :-)

Thats the great thing about this country.....ya never stop learning things.

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Reply By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:42

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:42
Theoretically possible.

But in practice - the next person who has overheating problems caused by driving lights will actually be the first.
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Reply By: Member - Trevor R (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:43

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:43
Shaker,

I pretty much agree with everybody here, yes it does effect airflow but No that is not what is causing the overheating.
I had IPF 900's when my truck was overheating, but now have fixed (I hope) overheating and have put L/force 240's on to no detriment of running temp's. In fact mine now runs 10c cooler even with the big lights on.

Regards Trevor.
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:50

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:50
Just to differ from everyone,one of my mates used to have a hilux with a V8 in it and he fitted some bull lights on the bull bar.As soon as the motor was working hard the temp would climb high.He removed one light and problem solved,never o/heated again.I think he ended up fitting a small set of lights with no problems either.
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 23:01

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 23:01
Had the same with mates that went to sydney. a 253 in a GQ Shorty. Relocated the lights and she ran nicely.
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 19:17

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 19:17
I think that for them to cause overheating there would have to be something wrong anyway with the cooling system. After all the difference in airflow would be minimal compared to driving at 60kph or 100kph but they will affect the direction and turbulence and coulkd effect other things eg I had a 120 Diesel prado and the lights effected the power as the air intake ducts for the turbo are right behind them. This was measured on the Dyno but I don't have the vehicles or the figures anymore.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:14

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:14
The Nissan badge on GQ grills blocks air by 17% according to the trainers at the Nissan club in Shiatney.
So yes,

as for 'the next person who has overheating problems caused by driving lights will actually be the first', its been reported on several forums over the years with large spotties blocking air flow enough to cause temp issues.. maybe not to the point of boiling, but gettin to red has happened.
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Reply By: Member - Tim - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:28

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:28
Isn't that what the fan is for? The difference between the car sitting still and running at 60km per hour is the speed of the air hitting the front of the radiator. At some point that speed is greater than the fan can pull through and the fan becomes a bit of a waste of time. If you put large spotlights in front then you are probably relying more on the fan and less on the speed of the air coming in. If the fan is adequate by itself then there should be no problem as it can pull air from around a spotlight.

That sounds reasonably logical to me anyway though I am sure there are some holes in it :).

Tim.
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Reply By: Frank_Troopy - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:56

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:56
Hi Gang,

Assuming that a lot of the bugs that squish onto my light covers would otherwise lodge in my radiator, I reckon that they may aid cooling.

Just a thought.
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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 08:48

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 08:48
I know of someone a few years ago who cooked their saab (minute grill area) with a hefty repair bill when they cable tied a red nose on the front for SIDs day.

Expensive mistake. Don't see those noses anymore either but don't know if that had anything to do with it.

Never heard of it with a 4wd though.

Dave
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Reply By: chris-a - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 17:08

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 17:08
Shaker
if the lights are far enough away from the radiator I do not think you will
have any trouble .if you are to close it will not allow the air to circulate behind may
even cause a vacum simular to a slip stream . hope this helps
Chris
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