Maths Homework - Help me impress daughter

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:21
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I've posted it here and on Overlander. Hopefully one will get me an answer tonight.

I'm a gumby, my kid thinks I'm a major chance at the next dumb and dumber movie.

Homework question

3a - 5 = a +7 I know the answer is 6 but how do I get that in some sort of formula so I can help her with the other 50.

Other examples include

4x - 3 = 7 - x

10x + 1 = 25 - 2x

and the doozie of them all

2(4x - 7) = 5(2x + 3)

Urgent and speedy accurate replies will be accepted like gold.

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Reply By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:45

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:45
Hi there money pit,

The trick here is to get the solveable variable on one side of the = sign and then solve. When you swap values either side of = you need to swap +ve and -ve. When you have a value outside of brackets i.e. 2(x+4) then that is short way of stating 2x+8.

Examples from above
1) 3a-5=a+7; 3a-a=7+5; 2a=12; a=12/6=6
2) 4x-3=7-x; 4x+x=7+3; 5x=10; x=10/5=2
3) 2(4x-7)=5(2x+3); 8x-14=10x+15; 8x-10x=15+14; -2x=29; x=-(29/2)=-14.5

I hope this helps with the homework.

Regards,
Hugh
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Reply By: RobEG - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:46

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:46
Well u have to know algerbra. Ther r rules but hard to apply single formula. Here we go 4 the ones u have put up.

3a-5=a+7

Well u can shift each item each side but they change sign from + t0 _ or vice versa when u do that so

3a-a=7+5
2a=12
a=6

and
4x-3=7-x
4x+x=7+3
5x=10
x=2

and
10x+1=25-2x
10x+2x=25-1
12x=24
x=2

and
2(4x-7)=5(2x+3)
multiply out brackets
8x-14=10x+15
8x-10x=15+14
-2x=29
x=-14.5

and i'm 60 and never thouight i'd need to remember this sh*t again!!!!
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Reply By: Casnat - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:49

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:49
What you do to one side of the"=" sign you have to do to the other.

3a-5=a+7
3a-5-a=7
3a-a=7+5
2a=12
a=6

4x-3=7-x
4x+x-3=7
5x=7+3
5x=10
x=2

10x+1=25-2x
10x=25-1-2x
10x+2x=24
12x=24
x=2

2(4x-7)=5(2x+3)
8x-14=10x+15
8x-10x=15+14
-2x=29
x=-14.5

(unless I have had too many reds....which is quite possible!)

Trevor
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Follow Up By: Casnat - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:55

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:55
I assume this post is all about how you can derive the dimensions of the drawer system you are planning for your 4by???
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Reply By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:50

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 23:50
3a - 5 = a +7
(1) transpose all the "a's" onto the same side, remember when moving from one side to the other the sign must change, so the "a" on the right hand side becomes "-a" when moved to the left hand side
this gives us "3a - 5 - a = 7"
(2) transpose all the numbers onto the same side. Remember the change sign rule - by moving "- 5" from the left hand side it becomes "+5" on the right hand side
this gives us "3a - a = 7 +5"
(3) add up each side individually
(3a - a) becomes 2a, (7 + 5) becomes 12
so, this gives us "2a = 12"
(4) divide both sides by "2"
result is " a = 6"

"4x - 3 = 7 - x" and "10x + 1 = 25 - 2x " - use same method

2(4x - 7) = 5(2x + 3)
(1) multiply everything inside the brackets by everything outside the brackets to get, on left hand side you will have "8x -14", on right hand side "10x +15"
or "8x - 14 = 10x +15
(2) then follow above procedure
8x - 14 = 10x +15
8x - 14 - 10x = 15
8x - 10x = 15 +14
-2x = 29
-x = 14.5
x = -14.5

Jeff
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Reply By: muzzgit (WA) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 00:05

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 00:05
NO NO NO. your ALL wrong.

The answer is 27 !

te he
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 18:23

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 18:23
Wasn't the answer 42? (Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy) lol
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Reply By: arthurking83 - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 00:09

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 00:09
I'm sure, if I remember correctly, that the ANSWER is in fact 42 !!
What was the question again? :)
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Reply By: Moneypit - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 00:34

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 00:34
People,

Thank you all. I have retained some dignity in the eyes of my 13 year old.

Dave
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Reply By: Nudenut - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 08:07

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 08:07
Bloody Einstein’s
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 11:40

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 11:40
Im with you..
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 13:06

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 13:06
even went to the link below ...still too hard as i cant find ex on my calculator...i can find the muliply symbol but i dont think thats it ???
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 06:50

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 06:50
Truckster I tried looking it up in archives and could find a thing.
Any tips .

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:31

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:31
Algebra help

Put in the equation you need, it not only gives the answer but the breakdown of how to get the answer I used this when I had to help my teenager.

Sandy
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:48

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:48
Hhahahahhahahah Sandy.. I think every forumite here with growing kids just saved that link into favourites and sighed a large sigh of relief!!!

Phew! Actually it was good to get the old grey matter going and see if I still "got it"!

Matt.
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Follow Up By: Oz Explorer - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 15:27

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 15:27
Too Right Matt!

Just read Steve's tip re: Algebra help and what did I do?? Put it into favourites!

Then I read your follow-up.

Made me laugh!

Regards

Oz
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Follow Up By: Moneypit - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 20:12

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 20:12
I'm grateful for all the input but I am really really really truly truly truly happy about this particular entry.

Its at the top of my favourites and also put it in my stash of passwords and serial numbers just in case the puter ever walks out the door by a non-invited guest.

Ta

Dave B
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Reply By: Member - ROTORD - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:53

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:53
And remember that you must sequence your actions in the order of BOMDAS

brackets
of
multiply
divide
add
subtract
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Follow Up By: timglobal - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 00:03

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 00:03
BODMAS is my recollection, but "t'internet" suggests either could be winners.

Can't be fagged to look it all up. Anyone?
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Reply By: BamBam - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 18:06

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 18:06
I am having a nurvous break down just looking at this maths again!!!

I did not realise the readers of this forum were so smart!!

I know you need a brain to drive a four wheel drive - oh I get it - the smart people are Patrol owners!!!!!
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 20:44

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 20:44
Thanks for reminding me how much I hated maths in school... I still can't figure out why we learn algebra... Don't know a single person who applies it in real life.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 07:57

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 07:57
your not married are you?
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 13:08

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 13:08
Living in sin... Why do you ask???

Even the tradies I know live off charts(by their own admission) to work stuff out, never see them put pen to paper to work it out.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 14:45

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 14:45
you need to know algebra to understand women
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 19:48

Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 19:48
I made a commitment many years ago to NEVER, EVER try to understand a woman... Life is easier now...
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 08:02

Friday, Aug 26, 2005 at 08:02
Moneypit Don't worry about impressing your daughter, These blokes have impressed me no end.
I had forgotten more of this stuff than I ever could remember (does that make sense?)

As Blue said "You never use the stuff in the real world"
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